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BudBundy
Full Tilt Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
6 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $39.95
UTG+1: $33.80
Hero: $49.25
Button: $46.60
SB: $168.40
BB: $45.50

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with 6 icon_suit_spade.gif 5 icon_suit_diamond.gif 4 icon_suit_club.gif 3 icon_suit_diamond.gif
UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, Hero calls, Button raises to $2.75, SB folds, BB calls, UTG calls, Hero calls.

Flop: Q icon_suit_diamond.gif 2 icon_suit_spade.gif 6 icon_suit_heart.gif ($11.25, 4 players)
BB checks, UTG bets $11.25, Hero calls, 2 folds.

Turn: J icon_suit_club.gif ($33.75, 2 players)
UTG checks, Hero


Do implied odds justify the flop call?

Is pf loose?
sabes99
i'm ok with the way you played it pf, if you hit a good flop you can win a big pot against A-A-x-x

i think you should raise the flop, although calling isn't bad...you've hit a good flop here with a pair and a 12-out wrap that is probably live considering the cards needed to fill it, and by raising you get better draws and the button's likely A-A-x-x to fold their hands here...worst case scenario is you're against a set and are a 2-to-1 underdog, but given that board it's unlikely that you're against a set...i probably pot it right here and hope to take it down, and if someone plays then we just gamble
bdc30
QUOTE (sabes99 @ Tuesday, July 10th, 2007, 10:18 AM) *
i'm ok with the way you played it pf, if you hit a good flop you can win a big pot against A-A-x-x

i think you should raise the flop, although calling isn't bad...you've hit a good flop here with a pair and a 12-out wrap that is probably live considering the cards needed to fill it, and by raising you get better draws and the button's likely A-A-x-x to fold their hands here...worst case scenario is you're against a set and are a 2-to-1 underdog, but given that board it's unlikely that you're against a set...i probably pot it right here and hope to take it down, and if someone plays then we just gamble


I was thinking just that very thing. I would rather get the money in on the flop when we have 2 draws at our straight instead of after seeing the brick turn, but when we do see that brick and get checked to, I think we pot it there too.
BudBundy
I am counting only 9 outs. And 2 6s for trips against a possible overpair which makes 11 outs for us.

I thought about repotting flop to take advantage of fold equity but 3 things changed my mind ;

1)UTG has only 22$ left. He will need to call 22$ for a 54$ pot if i repot.

2) There isn't a single draw on that flop. Which hand does he strongly lead into a preflop raiser and 2 other callers on that flop? I thought it must be a set or somehow Top Two.

3)There are 2 players behind me.

I read an article about how we should just check/call with good draws draws unless we believe we have really good fold equity. Looking at UTG's stack , i didn't think i was getting a fold from any hand that pots that flop.

I agree i can get a fold from AAxx but why do i want a fold from AAxx? I am not winning this hand unless i hit and if i hit i will have the nuts , in that case don't i want AAxx in the pot?
bdc30
The more I'm looking at this hand, I'm talking myself in to folding on the flop. I hate holding my own outs in plo. I'd be all over it if it were some kind of a wrap draw, but this feels like drawing to a gutshot. Fold>Raise>Call imo.
BudBundy
QUOTE (bdc30 @ Tuesday, July 10th, 2007, 9:50 PM) *
The more I'm looking at this hand, I'm talking myself in to folding on the flop. I hate holding my own outs in plo. I'd be all over it if it were some kind of a wrap draw, but this feels like drawing to a gutshot. Fold>Raise>Call imo.


Isn't it the exact reason it is so good? I have 9 outs all to gutshots. Doesn't it boost my implied odds? I don't think a set can fold when i hit because it is a gutshot.
bdc30
QUOTE (BudBundy @ Tuesday, July 10th, 2007, 10:55 AM) *
Isn't it the exact reason it is so good? I have 9 outs all to gutshots. Doesn't it boost my implied odds? I don't think a set can fold when i hit because it is a gutshot.


Are we up against a set here ever? Meh. Implied odds would matter more if the stacks were deeper I think. As you say, he's only got $22 left. You're not getting him out of this pot with a crowbar and you're taking the worst of it trying to catch up, the whole way.
simo_8ball
I'd raise preflop.

I like the flop call. You have enough implied odds IMO. It's probably close though. I don't actually mind repotting either. You have a lot of fold equity over AAxx.

Check the turn. Take a free card.
Actuary
I fold the flop.
simo_8ball
I'd need to work it out, but I don't think it makes too much difference either way. Factoring in potential free cards on occasion, and that we have a 3-flush, it's very close.
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