no read.

am I getting played?

This is wher I suck, I don't have a good feel for likely holdings

PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha High, $0.25 BB (4 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FCP)

SB ($17.85)
Hero ($28.55)
UTG ($26.55)
Button ($18)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A , K , A , Q .
1 fold, Button calls $0.25, SB completes, Hero raises to $1, Button calls $0.75, SB folds.

Flop: ($2.25) 2 , 5 , 5 (2 players)
Hero bets $1.25, Button raises to $5.9, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $9.40

i think its a pretty standard fold. you do have top two, which is good, but he could easily have a hand like a5k10 or a5xx or anything really. even if he had a two clubs for the flush draw or two cards for a straight draw, its pretty much a coin flip.

i think fold, but omaha is not my strong point.

You could easily be bluffed here. Unfortunately there is precious little you can do about it. Well, without a read at least.

I'd prefer to see you bet pot on the flop but that's not massively significant.

Talk to Budbundy about playing hands oop in plo, and pot control.

In a couple hands of yours I've read, I see you raising from the BB. Puts you in a vulnerable position the rest of the hand, as it telegraphs your hand to those that have position on you postflop. As Button, I can be 90% certain that a 2 5 5 garbage flop DIDN'T hit a hand that raised it up preflop from the BB, and can easily make a play at you here.

Keep your pots small when OOP, build em up from co/button etc

Unfortunately there is no option in this scenario IMO.

However, I will happily raise a fairly wide range of hands here, including some hands that hit this kind of flop.

Pot control IS an option here when OOP. If you want to take this past the flop, you can check/call for the same price as you can bet/fold. (If you're potting...)
We have a hand that very well may have a lot of value at showdown.
I wouldn't mind seeing a turn....

help me to understand why we pop AA in Holdem from the BB but not AAKA(ss) in PLO from the BB.

Is it because preflop our advantage is less here and thus pos has a higher importance?
If it were NL-Omaha would that make it more ok to raise this?

Edit: OOPS, I meant, AAKQ, thanks meservery

Because there are 4 cards in everyone's hand, AAxx unimproved in omaha won't win very many pots, where in holdem (if played properly) it will hold up a lot. Plus, with the third ace in your hand, that kills an out, and you're only single suited, and you can only make one straight...It's not nearly as powerful here, especially when holding a third ace.

AAKJ, AAKQ, AAKT are all FARRRR better than AAAK in this game.

Run the omaha calculator on cardplayer. I'd bet that AAAK vs. Random Hand is less than 55-60% favourite at the start of the hand. (just guesstimating)

This article explains the problem:

Playing Aces in PLO
- Andrew Black
Dec 21, 2006

Players who are new to Pot-Limit Omaha tend to make more mistakes with Aces than with any other hand. They get themselves into really tough situations - ones where they can lose a lot of money. Avoiding these spots is one of the keys to playing PLO profitably.

Here's the kind of situation that newer PLO players sometimes find themselves in. Say it's a $2/$5 game where all the players have about $500 in front of them. There's an early position raise to $15 and a player in middle position with A-A-x-x re-raises to $50. Four players call the $50. Now the flop comes down J-7-2, rainbow.

The Aces might be good here, or they might not. It's very hard to know. This is the kind of spot where it's very easy to make a big mistake - either by putting in a lot of money while a huge underdog, or by folding the best hand.

Novice PLO players get in this sort of trouble because they don't really understand how Omaha differs from Hold 'em. In Hold 'em, if you start with a big pair like Kings or Aces, you know you're a big favorite before the flop. But this isn't the case with Omaha. For example, pre-flop, Ac-Ad-4s-7h will win only 51 percent of the time when heads up against Js-Ts-9h-8h. Throw a couple of other hands in the mix, and Aces become extremely vulnerable.

Because so many hands are so evenly matched, Omaha is a game where what you catch with the community cards is usually more important than what you start with. You're looking to make big hands - nut straights, nut flushes, and big sets.

Still, hands that contain Aces are usually a decent favorite when played heads up. And, with Aces, you always have the opportunity to make top set or, if you're suited, a nut flush. So you're going to want to play these hands, but you often want to be more cautious pre-flop.

If there's a raise in early position, you don't have to re-raise with A-A-x-x, especially if that re-raise would commit you for only a small portion of your stack. When all the players have deep stacks, a few will be happy to call your bet and see a flop. Then you're likely to find yourself in the sort of situation described at the beginning of this tip. You won't know if your hand has held up on most flops. And when you do hit your set of Aces, you're not likely to get a lot of action, as your opponents won't have much difficulty putting you on a hand.

However, there are some occasions when you want to play Aces aggressively pre-flop. When there's been a lot of action and a raise will allow you to get about three-quarters of your stack in before the flop, go ahead and make that big bet. At that point, you're looking to force some folds and, hopefully, play heads up. With that much money committed, you know the rest of your stack will be going in on the flop no matter what comes.

Of course, once you're in the hand, your Aces can lead to some very profitable post-flop situations. You might catch top set while an opponent makes a lower one or your nut flush might take a big pot from someone who made a lower flush.

So slow down with your Aces pre-flop in PLO. Your deceptive play will win you some big pots when you make a big hand. Plus, you'll avoid losing a lot when the board doesn't fall your way.





Now, this hand is different in that you aren't reraising preflop, and it is a BSB situation. I think that not raising here is losing equity. With AAKQss you will hit quite a few flops strongly, and you will often take the pot on the flop unimproved. In heads up pots, AA will be good on most flops.

I dont think he meant to write AAAK. I think he meant AAKQ cause thats what he had....

AAAK vs random hand is 59.5%.

AAAA vs a random hand is 51.8%

AAxx vs a random hand is 65.6%

(http://www.propokertools.com/simulator/oma...ationEditor.jsp - it's a fantastic learning tool.)


Oh, and you are ~66% against a random hand on that flop.

My bad - misread...too many of these AAxx hands posted...lol

Not bad lol

Flop bet is very weak. You are inviting him to play back at you. Check it or bet more , pot preferably.