Ok, so ive played a fair bit of online poker, not really much live, but im sitting in a casino in Edmonton, AB, playing $1/$2 no limit
Ive got about $70 behind, one guy raises to $10, one guy calls, im on the buttom, i call with AJ of hearts
only 3rd or 4th hand of session, so no reads
flop comes 456...2 hearts
the first guy bets $15, my read here is he could have alot, pair of 8's-J's even, maybe even QQ, or even just a top pair with a crappy kicker seing where he is,
so i shove, i have nut flush draw and two overs
hoping to push him off his hand, is this correct play???

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what does anything thing? at the time i thought it was a terrible play but now im not so sure,

You play better than you post.

standard. Shouldve shoved PF baby. BTW try and buy in for max. Allows you to actually play poker.

why shovel here?.. i realize you're pretty short.. but calling off the $15 to see the turn and see what the villain does is probably smarter especially being at 1-2 when you know hes gonna call your all in with anything

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Welcome to the forum though, fellow Canadian.

Welcome to the forum.

Shoving here is not bad: You're short and you have 9 outs to the nuts and a further 6 outs to top pair (which is likely, but not necessarily, good).

Since you have position, calling and peeling a turn is also a good choice. Also, since you just sat down, not only do you have no reads, but your opponents have no reads on you. So how you choose to play this can be based on how you want your opponents to view you: do you want them knowing you're willing to stack off on a draw? If so, this is a good opportunity to establish a looser image.

The decision is easy and both choices are acceptable because you are so short stacked. I personally recommend buying in for the full amount, but that *would* make your flop decisions less cut-and-dry. If you were in for the full amount, pushing is not your best option. In that case, I would recommend raising to around $45, although calling for a turn card is a close second.

Cheers,
Merby

Maybe this is just me but I would have folded pre-flop. I would be looking for a better spot to get all my chips in the middle with better holdings.

Even though you are on the button you are facing a raise to 5 x the BB and a call. I don't like my hand anymore even though it is soooooted.

Ideally you would be hoping for AAJ, JJA, JJX and anything else and you would be put to a decision.

Now on the other hand if I was closing out the action, which I don't think you were 'cus you were the button, then I would call just based on pot odds.

but then again ...

ANCORA IMPARO

Usually AJ sooted is a trap hand, but on the button with position, I don't mind calling. Also, I have been to many live 1/2 NLHE tables where 5x BB is standard for the opening raise (in fact, it rarely seems less than that).

As I am slowly realising . I have always played limit LIVE but have moved over to No Limit to decrease the frustration of limit. Notice I said decrease not eliminate

Thank you for your insight to my other thread. He had JJ btw, one of the holdings you thought was highly unlikely.

Okay no more hi-jacking.

OP: The reason I said fold pre-flop is because you were playing short stacked. If you keep calling $10 and not hitting the flop each time you will be chipped down. So lets say you do that for three hands and each time you folded. Now you have $40 and as fate would have it you look down and find AA or KK.

Wouldn't it be so much better to shovel with $70 than with the $40.

Just my 2c

A good point which I forgot to consider. I keep on thinking from the perspective that we're sitting on a full buy-in. Now that sixhands reminds me, I think it's push or fold pre-flop (your choice depends on the image you want to establish).

i keep trying to run through different scenarios in my head regarding the options here, but i just keep coming up with having no other option BUT to shove the flop as this was played.

you can't just call, because then you're down to what like $40-$45 and even if EP checks the turn card & it blanks you can't force him off the hand as he'll be getting like 2.5 : 1 to call your shove... also, what did other opponent do on the flop bet?


there were 3 of you going to the flop right?




yeah, i agree that this could be argued as either a fold / shove PF... and as played i can't see you doing anything but shovin hard & wishin well... you've got 9 outs to the nuts, and possibly even 6 to the best hand (tptk/gk)

I like a shove. People play crazy loose live and could just back down when confronted. If you get a call, you have some good outs.

There's $45 in the pot, you have about $60 left, and you have the nut flush draw with overs and a junk board, and two people involved.

AND you're playing in Edmonton, Alberta, Canada.

Nice work. I'd do the same. Then eat a moose sandwich, I guess.

yea , that pretty much ur only move is to shove here and if he has like a pair of 10's u still have alot of outs

Did you mean to quote me?

I personally don't mind the shove, depending on the player. If he's a 'donk' he might call with a wide range of hands, but then you'll be a better %. If he's a better player, he'll prolly only call with hands that have you a little more crushed (IE, JJ-AA, taking away some of your outs), but nonetheless, always better to be aggressive with your draws than to check/call them down.

hmmm...first off...why do you only have 70 behind you? second of all, how can you put him on such a narrow range when it's the fifth hand of the session. Third of all, it's a hand that plays itself. What are you calling preflop to see? that's a good flop for you and you obv should shove.

I like the bet. If you're playing a tight player you may get them to lay down AK, AQ, or A J here. only time you're in really bad shape is if you're up against AA. Then you are still only a 2 to 1 dog.

With your stack you really have no other option but to shove.