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HORSE - Razz ($0.50/$1.00), Ante $0.05, Bring-In $0.25 (converter)

3rd Street - (0.80 SB)

Seat 1: xx xx T:club:___folds
Seat 2: xx xx 7:club:___calls
Seat 3: xx xx 8:club:___folds
Seat 4: xx xx 2:club:___calls
Seat 5: xx xx 6:spade:___calls
Hero: A:diamond: 7:spade: 3:spade:___calls
Seat 7: xx xx Q:club:___brings-in
Seat 8: xx xx 4:spade:___calls

4th Street - (3.80 SB)

Seat 2: xx xx 7:club: J:spade:___folds
Seat 4: xx xx 2:club: K:diamond:___folds
Seat 5: xx xx 6:spade: 6:club:___folds
Hero: A:diamond: 7:spade: 3:spade: A:spade:___bets
Seat 7: xx xx Q:club: 8:diamond:___folds
Seat 8: xx xx 4:spade: A:club:___calls

5th Street - (2.90 BB)

Hero: A:diamond: 7:spade: 3:spade: A:spade: 2:spade:___bets
Seat 8: xx xx 4:spade: A:club: 9:spade:___calls

6th Street - (4.90 BB)

Hero: A:diamond: 7:spade: 3:spade: A:spade: 2:spade: T:heart:___checks
Seat 8: xx xx 4:spade: A:club: 9:spade: 6:heart:___checks

River - (4.90 BB)

Hero: A:diamond: 7:spade: 3:spade: A:spade: 2:spade: T:heart: 8:spade:___checks
Seat 8: xx xx 4:spade: A:club: 9:spade: 6:heart: xx___checks

Total pot: (4.90 BB)

river should have definately been a bet- right??????
Frez
I would have given some thought to raising third, last to act. You probably don't have the best hand here, but you're far from the worst. I'm OK with the call though.

If you're trying to pressure him, you need to bet 6th. You bet your paired 4th. You bet 5th when you caught a scary card. This is no time to take the pressure off - betting 6th tells him the T you caught doesn't concern you.

Not having bet 6th, check the river. He either totally bricked out with pairs on the last few streets, or he'll call with a medium hand. I doubt he's folding much you are beating - and that's becuase of the weakness you showed checking behind on 6th.
potatoman
QUOTE (Frez @ Friday, June 29th, 2007, 6:47 AM) *
I would have given some thought to raising third, last to act. You probably don't have the best hand here, but you're far from the worst. I'm OK with the call though.

If you're trying to pressure him, you need to bet 6th. You bet your paired 4th. You bet 5th when you caught a scary card. This is no time to take the pressure off - betting 6th tells him the T you caught doesn't concern you.

Not having bet 6th, check the river. He either totally bricked out with pairs on the last few streets, or he'll call with a medium hand. I doubt he's folding much you are beating - and that's becuase of the weakness you showed checking behind on 6th.


I'm raised preflop, unless it's some crazy table where that raise will set off some scary reraising/capping situation. I bet sixth street, and if I don't, I check the river.

That being said, I don't bluff often if I'm playing razz against bad razz players. If I catch bad in razz and my opponent catches good, even if it looks like I'm ahead in terms of up cards, I'll check/fold. Stone cold idiot razz players will call me down anyway, with J high, so I usually wait patiently for a strong four card hand before I charge ahead with betting.
HangukMiguk
QUOTE (Frez @ Friday, June 29th, 2007, 9:47 AM) *
I would have given some thought to raising third, last to act. You probably don't have the best hand here, but you're far from the worst. I'm OK with the call though.

I actually am OK with the call on 3rd myself too. You have the odds to call there, although four outs gone on 3rd is sketchy, I still peel one off, and a completion won't drive anyone out, and stick you into a spot where you have to call but don't need to later.

If I'm taking an agressive approach on 4th (which probably shouldn't have happened, if he catches an ace too, I can guarantee he's not folding, because that didn't pair him more often than not), then I take the aggressive approach all the way down. That means no checking 6th. By checking 6th, you essentially signify the following: Hey, I was just kidding. I was on a bluff earlier, and just don't have the balls to continue it.

^That's a key thing I look for when I'm sitting in a Razz game, is whether people have the cajones to follow through with a bluff attempt. I'll capitalize on that.

With the check on 6th, I check 7th. It's even slim whether I'll fire on last round on 7th if I DO bet 6th and get called.
HangukMiguk
QUOTE (potatoman @ Friday, June 29th, 2007, 12:57 PM) *
That being said, I don't bluff often if I'm playing razz against bad razz players. If I catch bad in razz and my opponent catches good, even if it looks like I'm ahead in terms of up cards, I'll check/fold. Stone cold idiot razz players will call me down anyway, with J high, so I usually wait patiently for a strong four card hand before I charge ahead with betting.

That's a stark contrast between me and you. I find I can get away with bluffs more in the lower limits than I can higher up, because a lot of players see a ton of bets spewing their way and just lose heart. I actually thought there WOULD be less bluffing in the lower limits because idiots would call down anything, but I have just seen the opposite when I'm playing lower games. 3-6 and up, though, it becomes more straightforward.
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