Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

UTG ($57.75)
UTG+1 ($33)
MP1 ($22.60)
MP2 ($56.25)
MP3 ($23.40)
CO ($55.35)
Button ($21.70)
Hero ($50)
BB ($25.35)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q, Q.
UTG raises to $1.75, 6 folds, Hero calls $1.50, 1 fold.

Flop: ($4) 7, 5, 4 (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $4, Hero calls $4.

Turn: ($12) J (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $12, Hero calls $12.

River: ($36) 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $36, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $72

Villain is a 60/3/1.5 thru 50 hands.

Seriously?

You played this about as bad as it can be played. You never defined your hand and then you folded what may easily have been the best hand. But even if the river was a good fold you'll never know because you never defined your hand. Define your hand with a raise or a reraise early (pf or flop) and figure out what type of hand your opponent may hold.

wtf?

this was horrible. i like the flop check, but then raise. As played if you just call. I like a check/raise. but more importantly I like a check raise on the flop.

raise somewhere for christ sake! and his river bet looks like he knows you didnt have much on the flop/turn or river so he fires at it strongly to take it.

i bet if you called and showed QQ, his hand would muck, and he'd type. "wtf? nh"

if ure not raising, u shud be calling the river.

Agreed. In general, if you purposefully under rep your hand, how can you fold when opponent has no reason to think you have a hand so big? If you play hands like this, you have to call the river. I played this hand vs EmpireMaker2 tonight:

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $6 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

saw flop|saw showdown

BB ($78)
UTG ($796.05)
MP ($600)
CO ($591)
NoSup4U ($810.35)
SB ($380.75)

Preflop: NoSup4U is Button with K, K.
2 folds, CO raises to $18, NoSup4U calls $18, 2 folds.

Flop: ($45) J, T, T (2 players)
CO bets $30, NoSup4U calls $30.

Turn: ($105) 2 (2 players)
CO bets $97, NoSup4U calls $97.

River: ($299) 6 (2 players)
CO bets $272, NoSup4U calls $272.

Final Pot: $843

Results below:
CO has Qd Ks (one pair, tens).
NoSup4U has Kc Kh (two pair, kings and tens).
Outcome: NoSup4U wins $843.

Point being, his range is super wide there.

Mark

Yeah there is absolutely no way you can fold on the river here. You should have raised earlier but having not you gotta call. Just out of curiosity what caused you to fold on the river?

Well, as a little background I'm completely new to NL, my main game is SHLHE. I'll be posting many hands, most likely played incorrectly since I don't know exactly what I'm doing right now. Anyways, onto the thought process in the hand:

PF, i know that the villain is quite tight, and further more he is raising UTG in a full ring game, so he has to have quite a strong hand. I put him on a range of something like JJ+ and AK. If he was more like a 20/10, I'd 3bet much more liberally, however I elected to call here because of his tight range.

On the flop, he probably cbets his entire range, and I felt that c/r'ing would fold out AK and only leave me up against AA/KK/JJ. The pot is still small, and there is no reason for me to push him out just yet.

The turn is interesting because again he fires a pot sized bet, and the only real underpair I see him having just made a set. However, I still feel as if he can be taking a last ditch attempt with AK here, afterall his range is pretty much 50/50 btwn AK and AA/KK/JJ.

On the river, when he fires another pot size bet, I would think that his betting pattern indicates a hand that beats mine, and so I decided to fold.

Villain is a 60/3/1.5 thru 50 hands. how is that tight? and with 50 hands you really can't know his preflop raising range, he just could just have not gotten any hands.

Here is the thing with NL, if you are unsure on the strength of your hand it is better to find out earlier rather than later, the later you get in a hand the more expensive it becomes. Just calling down means you are basically guessing, i would check raise the flop and possibly folds to a push.

Also a lot of people bet pot on the river hard when they miss everything

Worst played QQ ever.

Not that I mean to be hard on you, but there was a lot of money to be made on this hand.

Lol ok, so I take it I butchered this one quite bad.

Thinking back on it, yes I have never defined my hand at all yet, so he easily could have bet big on the river to make me fold a medium PP (which it looks like I have).

I think better lines then would have been to either reraise pf to 5, or c/r flop to 14ish.

One other question, what do I do if I take any of those 2 lines but he comes over the top of me?

Depends on the amount raised preflop. If it's a minraise then you can call for set value and implied odds. If he 3 bets you on the flop, you can fold and get away from it because he's almost never doing that with something you beat.

wow....

i've never seen queens played like that in my life...



i guess it was working to suck him in but you shoulda cr'd his azz on the turn / *as played* pushed the river...

guy could easily have AK or even AJs & thinks he made the best of it on the turn...


you played this hand like you had 62s...



sorry bud, you wasted em =T


only reason i see why is cause you "out-thunk-yourself"


if you over analyze the situation / think too long.. chances are you're going to make the wrong decision...


seems like you just didn't want queens i dont know whatelse to say.. you shoulda raised on ANY street throughout this hand...

Naismith, see what I mean?

(speaking about the river where the other streets were played as posted by OP)
Why not just call the river? What hand would call your push that you have beat? If you take this *super-slow* call approach with QQ to river, you've gotten him to bet pot on the river. There will be enough times here where you have the best hand to justify calling his river bet.

But... his hand range in calling your push gets suddenly waaay tighter: essentially, you're knocking out all the situations in which you have the best hand, and are only keeping the situations where he has you beat. Just call the river, don't push.

As played: call the river.

To play better: reraise pre-flop or check-raise flop as was previously suggested.

For the record.

aim is a limidonk who is giving up on true poker and moved into the NL world.

Be gentle with him.

Zach. Last time I looked, playing poker wasn't about the cards. How many limit pots did you ever get someone to fold a strong hand? Yeah, that's what I thought!

A limit player's motto: I think I'm probably beaten. Better check-call it down.

Ouch! Couldn't you at least have given us "the pot odds say I should..."

As for the play of the hand, I don't hate the check-calls so long as you call the river. I'd particularly call the river because it paired the top card on the flop. If your opponent had AA or KK here, that would be cause for huge concern. He can't put you on QQ, and top pair + str8 draw was one of your most likely holdings. What hands would he expect to be extracting value from? As played, I expect him to either have a boat (probably with JJ, as you mentioned) or ace-high and a prayer.

interesting... didn't take it into consideration this way... calling is a much better option than shoving here, thx for the advice.




it's much more helpful than the snide side remarks i receive elsewhere...