Hi everybody, I have more time to actually play these days after hardly playing at all the previous year and a half since the FCP card room launched.

I've just bought Poker Tracker and I imported my hands from my play over the last few months.

My play is limit holdem mostly 5 handed but the play ranges from heads up to 10 handed.

I have a feeling that Zach the nit is going to say that I play too many hands but let me know what you think as I'm still trying to get a feel for the Poker Tracker stats.

The numbers on the left are my global numbers from heads up to 10 handed, I've added my exactly 5 handed numbers since that is the majority of the hands and that is in red.

Total Hands : 28,930 15,624
Vol. Put $ In The Pot : 40.53 39.16
Vol. Put $ In From SB : 62.55 57.57
Folded SB To Steal: 69.64 69.04
Folded BB To Steal: 33.40 34.11
Att. To Steal Blinds: 33.94 34.10
Won $ WSF %: 41.46 40.34
BB/ 100 Hands : 4.41 5.10
Went To SD % : 38.78 38.55
Won $ at SD % : 52.12 52.77
PF Raise % : 17.09 15.66
PF AF : 0.57 0.52
Flop AF : 1.79 1.74
Turn AF : 1.91 1.84
River AF : 1.23 1.20
Toal AF : 1.09 1.04

The games move pretty quickly and I've been dealt more then 100 hands per table hour that I've been playing.

I know what each column means but I'm not sure what all my results represent.

I'm not 100% sure, but i thin its best to have stats for full ring, and then stats for SH.

More then 95% of the play is for short handed.

According to Poker Tracker the site that these are from doesn't differentiate between full and short in their hand histories.

Under the preferences tab you should be able to check the 'use number of players in hand filter check box' and then sort by hands with ie. between 3 and 6 players etc.

Thanks, I did it for 6 handed or less and 26,000 of the hands were with 6 or less players and the stats didn't change very much from what is above.

Wish I could help more but I am barely a FR player let alone SH.

Nice win rate I must say.

I know usually your AF stats should show flop being the highest and river being the lowest(excluding pre flop).

I really should not make any other comment as it would be purely speculation. Zach and the crew I'm sure will give you great info once they see this post.

remember that five page thread on what is considered killing a game? this is killing a game. sheesh.

Id say your VPIP is too high even for 5 handed, but maybe this is alot of headsup hands. Your PFR% is too small, especially when you consider your VPIP. For 6-Max games most TAGs have VPIPs between 22-30 and PFR% between 16-20. Im not sure how these numbers would change for 5-Max games. I think your Folded SB to steal is too small and your fold BB to steal may be too small to, but Im not really too sure about that one. You should probably try to get to Att. To Steal Blinds up to ~40. You AF seems a bit low even when considering your VPIP, but from your other stats you seem to be playing very good postflop and are definitely doing alot of things right. Im not the best person to ask about PokerTracker stats, but this should be helpful.

I don't play enough SH to know.

PokerTracker forum may be help you out

Bob,

Here are my SH stats for this month (1/3 of your sample size)

Total Hands : 5,123
Vol. Put $ In The Pot : 31.04
Vol. Put $ In From SB : 43.68
Folded SB To Steal: 75.23
Folded BB To Steal: 55.03
Att. To Steal Blinds: 33.63
Won $ WSF %: 40.63
BB/ 100 Hands : 6.01 (at the limit I'm running good on, the other not so much)
Went To SD % : 38.49
Won $ at SD % : 49.12
PF Raise % : 19.48
PF AF : (my screen not showing this for some reason)
Flop AF : 1.58
Turn AF : 2.14
River AF : 1.67
Toal AF : 1.76


Looks like you play a greater % of hands overall and protect your blinds a little more liberally than I do, but apparently you are making it work.

I'm not familiar enough with your style to really be able to interpret these numbers.

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I think it is a thinly vailed brag post myself. I think that your playing a little to passively but other than that your numbers look good (I have no idea what I am talking about)

post some hannds in SH Limit holdem I am trying to learn.

he appears to be picking off a good bit of over-aggro SH players who think you have to bet bet bet bet bet bet bet bet and bet again

He sees a good bit of SD's, probably isolating pf, and taking 2nd pair all the way.
There is a runnig hot bias for sure, given the W$WSF combined with a hi VPIP

I'd certainly say that while some of you may want him to do certain actios more often, I think it's clear he's doing whichever action at the right time

I bet he gets aggressive in big pots and plays small pots cautiously and gets great reads.

also, I bet he plays against bad players.

Other than that, nothing specific...until I decide to type some more


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seroius analysis even if it came off as silly

I filtered my database for 5 handed, and looked at all of the high volume regulars who are (in my opinion) the best at AP midstakes. I speak to most of them, and know a lot of them... almost all are professional players.

They basically all range between 27 and 35 vpip when filtering for 5 people dealt. Yours is 40.
Their PFR% ranges between 18 and 26. Yours is 16ish.
That means their preflop AF is higher ... proportion of PFR : VPIP.

Your flop AF is lower than any of them.
Your turn AF is roughly average.
River AF is slightly lower than average.

Your ASB is lower, but not by that much. 40 is roughly the average.
You fold your BB and SB to steals far less than almost everyone, and i suspect that's where your higher vpip comes from.
WTSD and W$SD arent worth trying to interpret.



None of it matters much if you're playing in games where your opponents have completely different tendencies. If you had those stats in a live 10/20 game, it would be completely reasonable. If you're playing .50/1, it may very well work. It's just probably not a workable approach to midstakes online, unless you play godly otherwise.

I want to thank those who gave their opinion.

These stats are from 5-10 to 50-100 at On Game with most of the hands at 5-10 and 10-20 and about 3000 hands at 25-50 and 50-100 but most of the higher limit hands are for 6 to 10 handed. I also have about 5000 hands from 6-handed games at Party Poker not included in the above stats for 10-20 and 20-40 with my stats looking pretty similiar other then my VPIP running at about 37 with it being 6 handed instead of 5.

I've been playing limit hold em since I started in the charity casino days in Toronto 13 years ago and I've been playing online since 1998 and the good old Planet Poker days. The reason that I'm giving that background is that some of the way I play may not work for players with less experience.

I had two purposes in posting these results. One was to get some information on some of the Poker Tracker stats such as AF. I already knew that my VPIP % was higher then what is thought to be the norm for a "good" player.

The second reason that I posted is that I wanted to start a discussion about how there are different ways to play and to get players thinking about when calling is a powerful tool to use.

Actuary's analysis is spot on. I've been playing against a lot of very bad players, many of whom keep going bet bet bet bet. Also, there are a lot of bad players who are playing almost every hand no matter how many bets it is to them preflop and will chase anything on the flop and chase to the river with any piece on the turn.

This brings me to the use of the call in limit hold em. When I play I try and play according to how my opponents are playing and exploit the mistakes that they make. In short handed online the most common mistake that players make is that they put too many chips in the pot. The over aggresive player raises too much where they should be calling or folding. The calling station calls too much when they should be folding or raising.

I have confidence in my ability to make good decisions after the flop which allows me to see more flops in games where others are making a high number of exploitable mistakes. Against the over aggresive player calling them down with a marginal hand is often the best play. Being too aggresive with players who will call with almost anything preflop is a mistake that I see a lot of players make. Against those players I don't mind seeing the flop and then determining the best course of action.

I first learned the power of the call in heads up situations in the Charity Casinos in Toronto playing with Daniel. The games would start at 12 noon and you could have a spot reserved from the previous day if you were a regular. The games were 11 handed and I would take seat 10 and save Daniel seat 9 since he liked an end seat. Seat 11 was non smoking next to the dealer and this meant that I would have non smokers on either side of me, I would have position on Daniel who was ultra aggresive usually and Daniel and I could talk about our hockey pool which would please the other players to no end. Very often my strategy would be to 3 bet Daniel's raise preflop or fold. If Daniel was the first one in and my hand was good enough to show down unimproved against Daniel's random hand I would 3 bet and hope to go heads up with him. I would then pay him off if he continued to bet into me no matter what so that he couldn't bluff me. Daniel jokes about me even now as Head Down Bob as I would just throw my chips in no matter what and call him. Against Daniel at that time it was the correct strategy and it stopped Daniel from bluffing me. Of course once he stopped bluffing me I stopped paying him off all the time but that brings up another topic of adusting to how players play against you when you play the same players on a regular basis.

Cliffnotes: bob's got game and makes lots of monies of the wanna be dream clowns.

go Bob! If you can outplay the donkeys postflop and adjust to their strategies then who cares if some of your "stats" are slightly high or low.
Please bring OnGame back to the US so we can play all the nl donks again!
and stay away from my tables pls.