PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

UTG (t3190)
UTG+1 (t2940)
MP1 (t2600)
MP2 (t3600)
MP3 (t2850)
Hero (t2930)
Button (t2860)
SB (t3710)
BB (t1940)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A, A.
UTG calls t20, 1 fold, MP1 calls t20, 1 fold, MP3 calls t20, Hero raises to t120, 2 folds, BB calls t100, UTG calls t100, MP1 calls t100, MP3 calls t100.

Flop: (t610) 8, A, 2 (5 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, MP1 bets t160, MP3 folds, Hero calls t160, BB raises to t480, UTG folds, MP1 calls t320, Hero raises to t1140, BB raises to t1820, MP1 calls t1340, Hero raises to t3790, MP1 calls t660 (All-In).

Turn: (t8700) 9 (3 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t8700) 3 (3 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t8700


Was the hand played correctly pre-flop and post flop, I can't see how I played it wrong getting all my money in on the flop with a set of aces and no hand out there beating me.

EDIT: Outcome removed.

Quick! Delete the outcome!!! We don't want to know until the situation has been fully discussed.

I prefer an outright raise on that flop as opposed to the smooth-call/reraise approach: the board is draw heavy, and you want to price the draws out, not price them in (by smooth-calling, you're improving everyone's drawing odds... By the time it gets back to you, everyone has invested so much that the pot is worth going after).

If you *do* choose the smooth-call/reraise approach, you definitely are pushing all-in when it gets back to you: the pot is big, and now you want to cut down the odds for the draws to call. Besides, since you are definitely willing to stack off here, the all-in will put the max pressure on your opponents.

But once again, I recommend raising the original bettor on the flop to price out draws.

Cheers,
Merby

So you would say I became greedy on the flop, and wanted to smooth call in the hope of trapping. But by doing so I have increased the pot size, obviously pricing everyone in. Where a re-raise rather than a smooth call would apply pressure to the other stacks and make any play they make a poor one.]

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Raise the flop. You're out of position and you have the two hearts to deal with. Another heart could be a disaster as it could either have you beat, and if not it may kill the action. Build the pot nowz.

i'd have pushed in the SECOND somebody bet that flop... i'm sure after the preflop action you were probably sitting there like
W...
T...
F...


you DEFINITELY didn't wanna take that many people to the flop w/ rockets... then the board both puts you waaaaaay out in front AND puts a bunch of draws on board (flush & wheel)

i think smooth calling on the flop is a terrible idea, sure i understand you wanna extract max value from your set of aces, but you can't allow that many people to stick around on that flop UNLESS ALL THE MONEY GOES IN -NOW!- make them decide "do i really wanna risk my tourney life here w/ just a draw?" the flush draws SHOULD be going away if you push it in on the flop... hopefully... but then again you can't prevent degenerates from gambling sometimes (lolz)


*ok, i understand that "this is no limit holdem & we like ot vary our play" & all that good stuff... but right here i'm pushing 10x outa 10 PERSONALLY... it takes away anything but a tournament-life-endangering decision for most of your opponents... this is pretty much always a bad decision for anyone OAD... i gotta feel like the BB had 8 8 right here to have check raised, then re raised all in after getting reraised again... i would assume someone's out there w/ KQhh or even like 45hh & if so that turn card burned you...


only thing i can suggest is POSSIBLY (i actually like the 120) a larger PF raise, and i think after you get bet into on that flop that all in is the right move... if they wanna draw, make em pay for it... otherwise w/ just the smooth call then raise the guy w/ the flush draw's just like "shyt, i'm def beat, buuuuuuuuuuuuuuut that IS a nice price & i'm getting the right odds to call" and that's NOT what you want his mentality to be... he should be like "shyt i have to lay this down"



hope it worked out for you but i'm assuming the FD hit? otherwise congratz on the monster pot

i think you have to raise on the flop, maybe 500 more or something like that...by just calling and waiting for someone else to raise, and then putting in the third raise, you are giving away your hand, you have to have a set to make that play, but by just raising outright you have a wider range and might get action more often...but it looks like in this hand it didn't make much difference

Pretty close, BB had 82 off???????????????????????? WTF. And UTG had QhJh obv turn card killed me.

Raise this flop....you get more value out of making a raise that flat calling. They have led out, so they feel they have a good hand. We really want to isolate on the lead bettor and shutout the draws.

As it turns out, you would have likely isolated on the BB and the lead bettor probably folds.

You raise to 500, BB likely pushes with the 2pr, and UTG folds his draw. You call and take it down.

I assume this is early in a low limit MTT tourney. With Aces I think u need to bet at about 10% or your stack pre flop. The 120 is nothing when you have 3000 chips. Once u get one or two callers, the others figure they are priced in so wtf.

Still a tough beat but the 3 way action is probably what kept the flush drawer in it. You gotta wonder if he woulda called a shove if heads up. I don't think u can fault either of the villains in this situation, if I had the two pair, i would think I was good.

Obviously u got pulled into a big pot but sometimes I just bet 50% of the pot to make it look like a c-bet and let them call me and see the turn card. Yes the flush draw is out there but it is so obvious you should be able to get away from it if it hits. Follow that with a pot size turn bet or a check raise if u think the other player would bet. People are saying to shove the flop but in my opinion 80-90% of the time with this flop u are value betting all the way to the river. You need to play the hand in the most +ev way to maximize your chips.

Glad to see someone say this. you definitely want to raise more pre-flop. Making it 300 might be a little much, but a pot-sized raise, which would be like 160 or something, might thin the field a little more.

The flop is not draw-heavy. There is a flush draw and some low gut shot possibiltiies, but most likely no one is going to call the flop with a gutter ball anyway. Especially since you have redraws if the ugly heart does fall on the turn, plus the fact that sometimes the turn is the gin card that puts out flush AND boats you up, I think the slowplay is alright. Certainly you want to reraise once it's check-raised, though. At that point the fish is on the hook.

But as fishin points out, you have a monster hand here, and you want to maximize your value, not protect it at all costs.

his raise was a pot sized raise (give or take ten chips); I think the raise preflop was fine and generally will thin the field to at most three players (including you in that position); the big blinds call is inexplicable, but I guess he was calling and praying; Also, on the flop, the board is not (or should not) be that draw laden; the flush draw is obviously out there, but if someone is drawing to the inside straight and wants to call I am fine with that every time (and it is notable that they would have had to call with 3-4, 4-5, or 3-5 with that raise in front; only one of those hands in hearts would worry me at all and I am not nearly good enough to put my opponents on a hand like that calling a reasonably size preflop raise)

I am totally fine with your PF raise, normally that is enough to thin the field quite a bit. It was unfortunate that you went to the flop 5 handed, there is nothing you can do about that. I don't like a really large preflop raise right here. Making it 160 is too much IMO. What you should have been worried about is the bet from MP1 after the flop. Betting 160 into a pot of 610 doesn't really make it seem as if he is worried about that heart flush coming. This would lead me to believe that he is the one on the draw himself, and is trying to add a little money into the pot if he does connect. You could have played it one of 2 ways after the flop though:

1- Make the raise right there. Then have the big blind come over the top of you, which you would have hoped could push the flush draw out of the pot. He would be getting a horrible price to chase that flush seeing as that he would have to think either you or the BB has made a set.

or 2- Call the bet and call the raise from the BB. This way you would have found out that the MP1 player was on the draw and seen the turn cheaply. This way when that 9h pops off, you can let the sucker BB stack off to the made flush of MP1. You get out of the hand as cheaply as possible and you get to watch the BB act like a donkey!

You just have to decide wether you are going to play your hand aggressive or passive. You can play it either way, but you can't play it both ways on the same street.

GL in your adventures
Chris

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i can't believe he "protected" in WORST position w/ 8 2 off.. i then can't believe he check raised w/ base 2... if i'm him right there *(i'd have folded pre flop... wtf kind of hand is 82o OOP no matter how good you are) i lead hard @ the flop & stack off cause i'm drawing dead to you... but that's me... he shouldn't have been in that hand anyways lolz...


& yeah it sounded like someone had high flush draw, i figured nuts (KQhh/KJhh) but i guess the qj was good enough... picked up the straight flush draw on the turn too...

that's brutal...






8 2 off... hahahahahahahahaahahaha i still can't get over it...

Raise flop to at least 700. Shove any turn.