the bring in is showing a [K], it folds around to you with 2 other people to act. your holding A7[8]. The two people behind you are showing [8], and [6]. you dont know anything about the other players (but the game is played at $0.50/$1.00).
In this situation should i call raise or just fold and wait for a better hand?

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Razz ($0.50/$1.00), Ante $0.05, Bring-In $0.25 (converter)

Seat 1: $18.50
Seat 2: $26.60
Hero: $19.40
Seat 4: $23.25
Seat 5: $17.60
Seat 7: $16.35
Seat 8: $19.40

3rd Street - (0.70 SB)

Seat 1: xx xx Q ___folds
Seat 2: xx xx Q ___brings-in___folds
Hero: 2 5 3 ___raises
Seat 4: xx xx Q ___folds
Seat 5: xx xx 7 ___calls
Seat 7: xx xx J ___folds
Seat 8: xx xx 9 ___calls

4th Street - (4.20 SB)

Hero: 2 5 3 3 ___calls
Seat 5: xx xx 7 T ___calls
Seat 8: xx xx 9 5 ___bets

a call here is the right play? i thought 253 was still a strong hand vs the 9 high.
seat 5 was just losing money (?), with a bet from somone better ahead of him and a caller with a 3 showing.

5th Street - (3.60 BB)

Hero: 2 5 3 3 4 ___bets
Seat 5: xx xx 7 T K ___folds
Seat 8: xx xx 9 5 K ___checks___calls

6th Street - (5.60 BB)

Hero: 2 5 3 3 4 2 ___bets
Seat 8: xx xx 9 5 K T ___checks___folds

Total pot: (5.60 BB)

although it worked out
on 4th street i was most likely behind seat 8 (imo), so im wondering if calling is the right play in the long run.
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Id fold 4th. Closing the action I might call, but with the other guy left to act behind us I would fold. I probably play a little too tight on 4th though. Rest of the hand is nice.

For the question before the hand I would raise. Sucks that our 8 is showing and that we dont have two wheel cards to go with it but Id still raise. Against only two other players our hand is good enough of the time. This might be a time to limp but thats a part of my game that is still weak.

Its kind of sad how unpopular Razz is and this specific forum is. The games are always so soft.

Double post.

No. You have one known dead card. You CANNOT fold that. NO WAY. You give up way too much equity in the long run. Even an open pair scare me from calling this.

You played the hand fine in my book. I run the same line every time in this hand. No way anyone could take this to showdown with you.

What if the guy had a 75 showing instead of a 95?

I'm in a trickier position then than I was with a 95, but I still peel a bet off. I've still only got two outs gone, this isn't a horrible situation, and I'm looking for the situation that happens on 5th street to happen here. I hit great, and they hit bad, and this happens more often than not. If I hit good and the seven high hits good, it may be slim, but I could call there and see if I hit my draw. I'll probably only be looking at 3 or 4 outs gone on fifth, and be drawing live, but not a favorite to bet it myself. with the king on 5th street, doesn't matter if he has the nine or the seven, i still take the lead there.

The key about peeling one off with the open pair is that you look stronger than if you call with a hidden pair there, or at least that's my opinion. If you have three good cards with a lot of live outs, then you can peel one off, and show strength when their boards turn sour, and they usually believe y ou. Moreover, once you start firing, if you hit a hidden pair on sixth, they tend to believe you and lay down a lot to it. and ESPECIALLY at lower limits, the players are more timid than at the higher limits, and more willing to lay down to scary boards facing a bet.

I would not fold 4th as posted. No, you're not closing the action, but are you expecting a raise from a [XX]7T? Same if the better had a 75, since our hole cards are still lower than his board.

I play the hand the same.


And I'll be around for any stud type hands you want to post - maybe I'll even throw some out...

frez, i have to applaud you as one of my favorite new posters, and definitely love having you here in the stud strat boards. you've definitely given a breath of fresh air on top of some concise feedback on hands, and given me a bit to think about and chew on.

please feel free to post anything and everything you want in here.

Aww shucks.

I am liking FCP - I should have come to these forums a year ago.

Now I'd better find a hand to post...

better late than never