bassplayer45459
Thursday, June 21st, 2007, 12:08 PM
My apologies, the converter did not want to accept this hand history for some reason.
Should i have raised the flop, or did i miss any bets?
Full Tilt Poker Game #2729713702: $5 + $0.50 Sit & Go (20807810), Table 1 - 50/100 - Limit Omaha H/L - 15:58:00 ET - 2007/06/21
Seat 1: keithdp (1,590)
Seat 2: WoodyBob333 (1,300)
Seat 3: movingabout (1,415)
Seat 4: AuntSarah (510)
Seat 5: CoveWoman (2,300)
Seat 6: MrBoofer2u (1,845)
Seat 7: Leah515 (1,560), is sitting out
Seat 8: bassplayer45 (1,480)
Seat 9: Bluffagator (1,500)
WoodyBob333 posts the small blind of 25
movingabout posts the big blind of 50
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to bassplayer45 [3c As 2d Ah]
AuntSarah calls 50
CoveWoman calls 50
MrBoofer2u calls 50
Leah515 folds
bassplayer45 raises to 100
Bluffagator folds
keithdp folds
WoodyBob333 calls 75
movingabout folds
AuntSarah calls 50
CoveWoman calls 50
MrBoofer2u calls 50
*** FLOP *** [7s Kc 5h]
WoodyBob333 checks
AuntSarah checks
CoveWoman checks
MrBoofer2u bets 50
bassplayer45 calls 50
WoodyBob333 calls 50
AuntSarah has 15 seconds left to act
AuntSarah folds
CoveWoman calls 50
*** TURN *** [7s Kc 5h] [5d]
WoodyBob333 checks
CoveWoman checks
MrBoofer2u checks
bassplayer45 bets 100
WoodyBob333 calls 100
CoveWoman folds
MrBoofer2u calls 100
*** RIVER *** [7s Kc 5h 5d] [9s]
WoodyBob333 checks
MrBoofer2u checks
bassplayer45 checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
bassplayer45 shows [3c As 2d Ah] two pair, Aces and Fives, for high
antistuff
Friday, June 22nd, 2007, 1:20 PM
raising that flop is mandatory.
Frez
Tuesday, June 26th, 2007, 5:18 PM
Ya, pop the flop. Nut low draw with counterfeit protection, plus the Aces. You want to narrow the field.
sabes99
Sunday, July 1st, 2007, 8:41 AM
yea there's no point in flat-calling the flop, you have positive equity in this hand unless he has a set or two pair with A-2, and if so there's a good chance he raises pre-flop
Chamonyx
Monday, July 2nd, 2007, 7:48 AM
PFR is standard. Also, you should raise the flop to put maximum pressure on the high draws (unlikely there are many nut low draws out there, but make them pay too). The high draws you are most worried about here are the single pairs - AK4x for example will (and should) probably call one SB in a raised multi-handed pot....but they should hesitate to call 2 especially when the betting leader can act again behind them, so it might end up costing 4SB.
If you have thinned the field on the flop, you can feel more confident betting the turn since it is unlikely anyone would have called 2 on the flop with just a pair of 5's, and given your hand A25 or A35 is unlikely. Without having thinned the field, it is a much riskier play - but still the right one....someone with a boat or a 5 will probably let you know soon enough.
teflon jon
Tuesday, July 10th, 2007, 6:54 PM
First off, I would have probably popped it a little higher preflop. AA23 is a phenomenal hand in Omaha 8/b. It would be better if it were double suited, but beggars can't be choosers I suppose. A hand like AA23 is probably going to play a little better against one or two people than 3 or 4, so I would have tried to isolate a bit preflop. On the flop, as has been previously stated, I would agree that a raise is the best move to make here. You have a non-counterfeitable nut low draw and an overpair, which might be good for high against fewer players. Just calling, like you did, is an acceptable play here I think, but raising probably would have been a little better.
yeffy
Wednesday, July 11th, 2007, 7:28 AM
Agreed with above def. pop the flop here.
What about a value bet on the river? You would have found the trip 5's or a boat on the turn. 68 could very likely be out there but won't be able to raise due to the board pair but will call 99% of the time I guess. Kings would call poss someone with QQ or JJ at this level. I'm not convinced that VB is the right play but would be interested in other opinions on it.
checkymcfold
Wednesday, July 11th, 2007, 10:19 AM
as others have said, definitely pop the flop.
valuebet on the river is std, but in this sort of spot you may be more likely to get a worse hand to bluff by checking than you would be getting them to call a bet, since you bet on the five on the turn. tough to say. i doubt either one would work very often, but i think i lean toward betting on the end.
FerretKing
Wednesday, July 11th, 2007, 5:25 PM
QUOTE (teflon jon @ Tuesday, July 10th, 2007, 6:54 PM)

First off, I would have probably popped it a little higher preflop. AA23 is a phenomenal hand in Omaha 8/b. It would be better if it were double suited, but beggars can't be choosers I suppose. A hand like AA23 is probably going to play a little better against one or two people than 3 or 4, u did, is an acceptable play here I think, but raising probably would have been a little better.
This is limit omaha h/l not pot limit.
I agree that you have to raise on the flop. Many players will bet out with A2 low draws so you could be looking at getting at least 3/4ths from the initial better if a low card peels off. Also a raise may scare off a lot of high hands that will automatically put you on KKXX as many omaha 8b play so passively.
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