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Money022
I'm running into situations where I'll open the betting PF with AQs/AQos. I've been playing $50 NL and will open for $1.50 or $2.00. Now if someone reraises me to say $5-$6, do we bother calling against your average player? By average I mean not a tight nit or aggressive maniac.
David_Nicoson
QUOTE (Money022 @ Monday, June 4th, 2007, 9:58 PM) *
I'm running into situations where I'll open the betting PF with AQs/AQos. I've been playing $50 NL and will open for $1.50 or $2.00. Now if someone reraises me to say $5-$6, do we bother calling against your average player? By average I mean not a tight nit or aggressive maniac.

It depends, but generally no.
Shimmering Wang
QUOTE (Money022 @ Monday, June 4th, 2007, 9:58 PM) *
I'm running into situations where I'll open the betting PF with AQs/AQos. I've been playing $50 NL and will open for $1.50 or $2.00. Now if someone reraises me to say $5-$6, do we bother calling against your average player? By average I mean not a tight nit or aggressive maniac.


It depends on a few things, in order:

1) How does villain play postflop? Against bad/weak players vulnerable after the flop, I call planning to take this pot away alot. If he's tight preflop, and good postflop, I'll find a fold most of the time. If he's semi-loose/solid preflop (ie, he will reraise here with 88-JJ and AK, etc.), but predictable postflop (folds to heavy action if there are overcards on board, won't make big-calls, won't raise a QJ6 flop w/TT, or an A29 flop with KK, etc.) then this is a hand you'll want to play, all things depending.

2) Where did the raise come from? BB/SB? Or behind you? Being in position is always alot more fun here, but this still ties into #1. There are alot of flops you can just float, with the intention of taking the pot away on the turn.


Wang
Snamuh
In position, I'll call a raise to 5.00, though it really depends on the nittiness of the reraiser. AQ is not a hand I like to play big pots with.
Royal_Tour
QUOTE (Snamuh @ Monday, June 4th, 2007, 8:33 PM) *
AQ is complete trash when you get raised.



FYP


God, stay away from AQ unless you are in position and the last person to raise. I would only call a raise with AQ if i knew 100% certain the person i'm playing it against is a complete readable donk.
Lavitz
QUOTE (Royal_Tour @ Monday, June 4th, 2007, 7:36 PM) *
FYP
God, stay away from AQ unless you are in position and the last person to raise. I would only call a raise with AQ if i knew 100% certain the person i'm playing it against is a complete readable donk.


AQ is certainly not trash against some of the light 3 betters you'll encounter at 6 max. However, it is still very hard to play, especially OOP. VERY read dependant.

If game is full ring I instadump almost always.

And this hand below is just for fun. This guy wasn't even a donk or anything. He had standard stats but this is what people do 6 max. They make obvious squeeze plays and light 3 bets against button raises which usually puts them OOP in a bloated pot with a questionable hand and is quite exploitable.

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $3/$6
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $303.45
UTG+1: $999.85
Hero: $600
Button: $325
SB: $414
BB: $561.25

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with K icon_suit_diamond.gif K icon_suit_spade.gif
2 folds, Hero raises to $21, Button calls, SB folds, BB raises to $93, Hero calls, Button folds.

Flop: 6 icon_suit_spade.gif 6 icon_suit_diamond.gif K icon_suit_heart.gif ($210, 2 players)
BB bets $156, Hero calls.

Turn: 3 icon_suit_diamond.gif ($522, 2 players)
BB is all-in $312.25, Hero calls.

River: A icon_suit_spade.gif ($1146.5, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $1146.5)


Results:
Final pot: $1146.5
BB showed 2d 4h
Hero showed Kd Ks
Royal_Tour
QUOTE (Lavitz @ Monday, June 4th, 2007, 11:44 PM) *
AQ is certainly not trash against some of the light 3 betters you'll encounter at 6 max. However, it is still very hard to play, especially OOP. VERY read dependant.

Its trash when you have no reads, and you agree

If game is full ring I instadump almost always.

I assumed it was full ring
Royal_Tour
QUOTE (Lavitz @ Monday, June 4th, 2007, 11:44 PM) *
Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $3/$6
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $303.45
UTG+1: $999.85
Hero: $600
Button: $325
SB: $414
BB: $561.25

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with K icon_suit_diamond.gif K icon_suit_spade.gif
2 folds, Hero raises to $21, Button calls, SB folds, BB raises to $93, Hero calls, Button folds.

Flop: 6 icon_suit_spade.gif 6 icon_suit_diamond.gif K icon_suit_heart.gif ($210, 2 players)
BB bets $156, Hero calls.

Turn: 3 icon_suit_diamond.gif ($522, 2 players)
BB is all-in $312.25, Hero calls.

River: A icon_suit_spade.gif ($1146.5, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $1146.5)
Results:
Final pot: $1146.5
BB showed 2d 4h
Hero showed Kd Ks



Its funny you posted this.

I was takin a dump tonight and it dawned on me.

The online players numbers have gone down a lot because of the bill to ban online poker etc... Lots of low level donks cant get around the hassle to deposit again, same problem with newbies.

so where are the donks who luckboxed there way up for a few months? u know the kind... they play super aggro style and its payed off enough for them that they can jump a level or two.

now they are playing higher limits outside of their rolls with no real grasp on how they got to that level.


anyways, NH wink.gif
Lavitz
QUOTE (Royal_Tour @ Monday, June 4th, 2007, 10:53 PM) *
Its funny you posted this.

I was takin a dump tonight and it dawned on me.

The online players numbers have gone down a lot because of the bill to ban online poker etc... Lots of low level donks cant get around the hassle to deposit again, same problem with newbies.

so where are the donks who luckboxed there way up for a few months? u know the kind... they play super aggro style and its payed off enough for them that they can jump a level or two.

now they are playing higher limits outside of their rolls with no real grasp on how they got to that level.
anyways, NH wink.gif


Yea but the funniest part about this hand was besides being a bit too aggro, prior to this hand I hadn't noticed the guy get out of line with anything. He had a high aggression rating but hadn't shown down any big bluffs or anything and I think he was actually on another one of my tables. His PT stats were typical of a LAG but not a donkish one who sees like 40+% of flops.

But the minimum I'm calling that flop bet with is AK without any significant reads and I'm not laying down anything I called flop with on turn unless I floated so him pushing turn=suicide.
Footballguru
nvm ignore
fckthis
generally because your not beating a normal 3 betting range, you should fold. If you find that some players are 3betting lighter than normal, then adjust.
Roberts2003
QUOTE (Lavitz @ Monday, June 4th, 2007, 11:13 PM) *
Yea but the funniest part about this hand was besides being a bit too aggro, prior to this hand I hadn't noticed the guy get out of line with anything. He had a high aggression rating but hadn't shown down any big bluffs or anything and I think he was actually on another one of my tables. His PT stats were typical of a LAG but not a donkish one who sees like 40+% of flops.

But the minimum I'm calling that flop bet with is AK without any significant reads and I'm not laying down anything I called flop with on turn unless I floated so him pushing turn=suicide.



i dont think his preflop or flop play is bad, in fact good for SH NL. once you call flop yeah he should shut down but his preflop and flop action looks dumb only because it says you have KK.
KramitDaToad
QUOTE (Shimmering Wang @ Tuesday, June 5th, 2007, 4:16 AM) *
It depends on a few things, in order:

1) How does villain play postflop? Against bad/weak players vulnerable after the flop, I call planning to take this pot away alot. If he's tight preflop, and good postflop, I'll find a fold most of the time. If he's semi-loose/solid preflop (ie, he will reraise here with 88-JJ and AK, etc.), but predictable postflop (folds to heavy action if there are overcards on board, won't make big-calls, won't raise a QJ6 flop w/TT, or an A29 flop with KK, etc.) then this is a hand you'll want to play, all things depending.

2) Where did the raise come from? BB/SB? Or behind you? Being in position is always alot more fun here, but this still ties into #1. There are alot of flops you can just float, with the intention of taking the pot away on the turn.
Wang


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