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cubsfan44
Other then being pretty sure villian is not a .50/1 regular No real read on his play

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

MP1 ($88.45)
MP2 ($97)
Hero ($88.70)
Button ($120.55)
SB ($95.70)
BB ($76.60)
UTG ($108.90)
UTG+1 ($100.65)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q, J.
3 folds, MP2 raises to $3, Hero calls $3, 3 folds.

Flop: ($7.50) 9, 6, J (2 players)
MP2 bets $4, Hero raises to $12, MP2 calls $8.

Turn: ($31.50) 8 (2 players)
MP2 checks, Hero bets $20, MP2 raises to $82, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $133.50


Ok couple of ?'s
what hand does the villian most likely hold here?
Do you bet that turn? or should i have checked behind and took a free card?
I think I was getting a bad price after the check raise all in. Am I right or should I have called?
mtdesmoines
QUOTE (cubsfan44 @ Sunday, June 3rd, 2007, 5:02 PM) *
Other then being pretty sure villian is not a .50/1 regular No real read on his play

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

MP1 ($88.45)
MP2 ($97)
Hero ($88.70)
Button ($120.55)
SB ($95.70)
BB ($76.60)
UTG ($108.90)
UTG+1 ($100.65)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q, J.
3 folds, MP2 raises to $3, Hero calls $3, 3 folds.

Flop: ($7.50) 9, 6, J (2 players)
MP2 bets $4, Hero raises to $12, MP2 calls $8.

Turn: ($31.50) 8 (2 players)
MP2 checks, Hero bets $20, MP2 raises to $82, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $133.50
Ok couple of ?'s
what hand does the villian most likely hold here?
Do you bet that turn? or should i have checked behind and took a free card?
I think I was getting a bad price after the check raise all in. Am I right or should I have called?


This kind of looks like a set of nines looking for a safe turn.
Footballguru
ew awful way u played turn. bet/fold is the worst possible line here IMO. If you bet you have to go with it. I dont mind a check for a free card, which is probably what i would have done. But to bet/fold on TP+FD is gross when you have commited nearly half your stack.

I check on turn and prob fold to a big bet on river unimproved. Most likely he has a set of 9s here IMO although 10q also likely
cubsfan44
QUOTE (mtdesmoines @ Sunday, June 3rd, 2007, 6:35 PM) *
This kind of looks like a set of nines looking for a safe turn.

If that was the case why would he check? Was obv hoping the turn bet would take it down and if not had a monter draw. Was super surprised by the check raise all in. My best guess for his holding is Q10.
Scott3705
QUOTE (cubsfan44 @ Sunday, June 3rd, 2007, 6:58 PM) *
If that was the case why would he check? Was obv hoping the turn bet would take it down and if not had a monter draw. Was super surprised by the check raise all in. My best guess for his holding is Q10.


If he's the type to open q10, then we can include a lot of hands that have a nine along with j10 and jq. I really don't think the bet on the turn is that bad. I would be expecting a call or a fold a lot more than a c/r here. We bet the turn for value (really hoping we take it down at this point) and then realize that we weren't ahead in the hand and can fold.
No_Neck
T think you have to check this turn and take a shot at a draw, there are a lot of cards that can make you the best hand. You have a small pot hand, keep the pot small, check the turn.
Acid_Knight
Never EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER bet/fold with a hand like this. Take a free card or make a bet that commits you to the pot. I'd bet the whole pot on the turn and then if he raises, you just throw the rest of your chips into the pot.

I like betting the pot on the turn.
fckthis
QUOTE (Acid_Knight @ Monday, June 4th, 2007, 9:16 AM) *
Never EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER bet/fold with a hand like this. Take a free card or make a bet that commits you to the pot. I'd bet the whole pot on the turn and then if he raises, you just throw the rest of your chips into the pot.

I like betting the pot on the turn.


I agree.

I probably stick in here as well.

Checking isnt a horrible idea either here, but a pair+fd+gutter=90% of the time a bet.
Roberts2003
QUOTE (Acid_Knight @ Monday, June 4th, 2007, 9:16 AM) *
Never EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER bet/fold with a hand like this. Take a free card or make a bet that commits you to the pot. I'd bet the whole pot on the turn and then if he raises, you just throw the rest of your chips into the pot.

I like betting the pot on the turn.


i agree with this

i defintely check turn, but if i do bet, im not folding
Snamuh
QUOTE (Acid_Knight @ Monday, June 4th, 2007, 1:16 PM) *
Never EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER bet/fold with a hand like this. Take a free card or make a bet that commits you to the pot. I'd bet the whole pot on the turn and then if he raises, you just throw the rest of your chips into the pot.

I like betting the pot on the turn.


I agree completely. I'm partial to taking the free card though. Let him make the ultimate mistake by giving you the free card in the first place.
cubsfan44
QUOTE (Acid_Knight @ Monday, June 4th, 2007, 9:16 AM) *
Never EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER bet/fold with a hand like this. Take a free card or make a bet that commits you to the pot. I'd bet the whole pot on the turn and then if he raises, you just throw the rest of your chips into the pot.

I like betting the pot on the turn.

I definitly agree, but as played am I getting the right price to call the river? or do I have to fold? again the checkraise all in just surprised the heck out of me. I mean such a wierd line by him. although as it turns out he played it perfectly against my holding.
Acid_Knight
QUOTE (cubsfan44 @ Monday, June 4th, 2007, 1:13 PM) *
I definitly agree, but as played am I getting the right price to call the river? or do I have to fold? again the checkraise all in just surprised the heck out of me. I mean such a wierd line by him. although as it turns out he played it perfectly against my holding.

What if he has 2 red aces and you have 17 outs? What if he's bluffing? I know that those are extreme examples, but he could have a hand like KK or AA here and you're drawing live to 17 outs and he could be bluffing becuase he's seen you raise on a draw before. It's just terrible business to ever let yourself get bet off of a hand like that when you have the option of seeing the next card.
cubsfan44
QUOTE (Acid_Knight @ Monday, June 4th, 2007, 12:19 PM) *
What if he has 2 red aces and you have 17 outs? What if he's bluffing? I know that those are extreme examples, but he could have a hand like KK or AA here and you're drawing live to 17 outs and he could be bluffing becuase he's seen you raise on a draw before. It's just terrible business to ever let yourself get bet off of a hand like that when you have the option of seeing the next card.

thats why i asked what u guys think his holdings may be. with the check on the turn a bluff seems unlikely to me, as does A's or a set. A donkish play with Q10 seems most likely to me. which i am not getting odds to call against correct?
cubsfan44
bump. any other thoughts?
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