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Actuary
villain unknown,
my 4th hand or so

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Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Q, Q.
3 folds, Hero raises, 4 folds, SB calls, 1 fold.

Flop: (5 SB) A, 4, 2 (2 players)
SB bets, Hero raises, SB calls.

Turn: (4.50 BB) 9 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB calls.

River: (6.50 BB) T (2 players)
SB bets, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 7.50 BB
Moneyball16
Id fold flop. We may be good here 1/6 times but we are not good enough here to put in a raise and bet the turn. Im confusing.
Actuary
QUOTE (Moneyball16 @ Saturday, June 2nd, 2007, 4:00 AM) *
Id fold flop.


really?
You fold flop because he leads out with an Ace on board?
Shimmering Wang
QUOTE (Moneyball16 @ Saturday, June 2nd, 2007, 8:00 AM) *
Id fold flop. We may be good here 1/6 times but we are not good enough here to put in a raise and bet the turn. Im confusing.


Actually, we have to be good here significantly more often than 1/6 times for this to be correct.

DUCY?


As for the hand, what a goofy line by the SB. The whole point of the flop was so you could bet the turn, then give it the ole check/check on the riv/riv.


Wang
Actuary
QUOTE (Shimmering Wang @ Saturday, June 2nd, 2007, 12:28 PM) *
Actually, we have to be good here significantly more often than 1/6 times for this to be correct.

DUCY?
As for the hand, what a goofy line by the SB. The whole point of the flop was so you could bet the turn, then give it the ole check/check on the riv/riv.
Wang


Wang,

Isn't SB taking a WA/WB line?

I figured he has A9-AJ here a lot
Moneyball16
QUOTE (Shimmering Wang @ Saturday, June 2nd, 2007, 2:28 PM) *
Actually, we have to be good here significantly more often than 1/6 times for this to be correct.

DUCY?


Thats what I was trying to say, but I just suck at writing/explaining.
Actuary
QUOTE (Actuary @ Saturday, June 2nd, 2007, 12:35 PM) *
Wang,

Isn't SB taking a WA/WB line?

I figured he has A9-AJ here a lot


edit: ah, I guess wa/wb is c/c, c/c, b/f ...
He paused before calling the flop raise and I really felt behind after the turn call, I was chking behind on river.

IMO chking turn and calling a river bet would stink on this board
not that anyone suggested that
Shimmering Wang
QUOTE (Actuary @ Saturday, June 2nd, 2007, 5:04 PM) *
edit: ah, I guess wa/wb is c/c, c/c, b/f ...
He paused before calling the flop raise and I really felt behind after the turn call, I was chking behind on river.

IMO chking turn and calling a river bet would stink on this board
not that anyone suggested that



If you decide to play on the flop, this is what you have to do.

That being said, YOU could also just take a WA/WB line and call down. I find I do this more often now, because there's a good chance he'll check the river, and you can showdown for 1.5 sb. That being said, he's probably ahead more often than he's behind.


Wang
Zach6668
I also call down passively here quite often.

Bleh, it's a crappy spot.
Actuary
yeah, I'll mix it up
On dryer boards I'll call down more likely or simply fold

I've seen 77 bet every street though here too.
Even with an Ace on board.
But his line to c/c turn and bet river looked so much to me like cheaper SD - but -don't miss value line.
Or AT.
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