Hero is SB with JhJs.

UTG+2 calls, CO calls, Button raises, Hero 3 bets, BB folds, UTG+2 folds (lol), CO calls, Button caps, Hero calls, CO calls.

Flop Jd 5s 7c.

Hero bets, CO calls, Button raises, Hero calls, CO calls.

Turn 8c (Jd 5s 7c)

Hero checks, co checks, Button bets, Hero raises, CO calls, Button calls.

River: 6s (Jd 5s 7c 8c)

Hero? (Bet and call a raise by the button but fold to the CO? Checks?)

Id bet/call against co and bet and consider 3-betting against button. Im not laying this hand down for one more bet.

I 3-bet the flop almost every time.

On this flop? Don't you think 1). CO is folding to 2 more a lot 2) Button is betting almost any turn card if checked to?

I 3 bet most of my set hands, but this hand seems to be begging for a check raise.

Absolutely. I love the flop call and turn check raise. The flop is so raggy everyone else to drawing to 1 or 2 outs, or runner-runner.

Check-raising here is correct. There's a better chance you'll be able to fold out weird gutters and other goofy hands that are- theoretically- drawing live against you. Letting them draw correctly is bad, and they make a much bigger mistake by calling incorrectly- given the pot is a half-bet smaller since you didn't 3-bet the flop, and opponents now have to call 2-cold- when you take this line.

Fine!

Wang, I hear you.

I wrote a ton.. but can we discuss pumping a pot with a

flop: bet/call.
Turn: Bet/3-bet line

It's pot building, where CO may be able to make calls correctly, had he known it was not going to go 3-bets.
Are we more concerned about trying to get CO to fold hands he hardly ever will, except gutters, which are so close to bad calls, we shouldn't really care if he calls or folds.

I'm tired; but damn, I want to get that discussion going.

Yeah, the only think we'll be worried about on any given turn is a flush draw that just popped up, and some kind of straight draw. Everything else is drawing dead. It would be nice to make CO face two cold, but he'll call with open-enders anyway. If he folds the occasional gutshot that's nice, but it won't affect our equity that much.

I still think I might like a turn check/raise, because I'd really like this pot to be headsup going to the river, especially if the board gets more coordinated on the turn. That being said, if I weren't lazy, I'd do some equity checks and see how it affects our margins. If we could bet/call, bet/3-bet, we'd get a chance to face CO with two cold, anyway. If that were possible, I'd be all over it.


Wang