PokerStars 1/2 Hold'em (10 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

BB is a multitabler. Other guy is unknown.

Preflop: Moneyball is MP3 with 6, 7.
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, 3 folds, Moneyball calls, 3 folds, BB checks.

Flop: (4.50 SB) 8, T, 4 (4 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, Moneyball bets, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 folds.

Turn: (3.75 BB) 9 (3 players)
BB checks, UTG bets, Moneyball raises, BB 3-bets, UTG calls, Moneyball caps, BB calls, UTG calls.

River: (15.75 BB) T (3 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Moneyball checks.

Is this good or bad?

Final Pot: 15.75 BB

Is the flop bet standard here?

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River is probably close, but I err on the value bet side, I think.

Bleh, that's such a bad card, and our hand is pretty weak relatively...

I think UTG's range can include a set, but certainly not any of the straights that beat us, as I think he'd have capped with any of those, but possibly give him another 67. He should also be given a range including top pair, as his line makes sense for that. It's a weird line, but I've seen it before.

BB on the other hand can have any set, any straight, and maybe any two pair combination. He's ahead of us a lot.

Bleh. I dunno. After thinking about it, I certainly have no problem checking down here, but I tend to bet when I'm checked to here. If UTG is betting out on the turn if he improved to two pair or a set, I think he'd bet out here if he improved to a boat. If BB is a thinking player, he'd have led this river hoping to trap UTG in there if you chose to raise, if he's got a boat.

Bleh.

did you miss that we have a double gutter or are you just against trying to run this through 4 ways with a flush draw on board?

Yep.

NH.

don't you need 3 calls to make your flop bet for value?
Lets give you 7 outs, given the redraws out there.

I check that flop against most fields.

River looks like a check to me

Will BB ever c.r a worse hand?
Will you ever be able to bet/fold there?

After your turn cap, I think BB sees an opportunity to c/r here a lot.

Then again BB could have 89 now.
But given the chance you split with one of them (or beat by higher straight) with the low straight and maybe get less loose calls on this board now, I don't see a river bet against decent players to be best

I bet flop not only for vlaue but for fold equity on the flop and later in the hand. Plus I mays well make the pot bigger cause I know Im gonna hit anyways.

So you would bet the turn if it's HU after the flop bet, if chkd to?

fold equity on that board texture and no preflop raise?

Yes and yes.

imo, you would not have significant fe
you also lose money against players that fold now, once you hit your somewhat hidded draw
I generally like betting draws befire hittng them but when it's so thin and kinda hidden and we need everyone to call, I can wait.


This seems like one of those bets where you are praying for 3 calls or 3 folds.
Not like some hands where you are pretty happy no matter what, folds and calls are coool in any mix.
Here, you really don't want 1 fold and 2 calls, or 1 c/r and two folds...etc

Im fine with getting two calls and a fold cause then I will probably be in a position to take a free card. A c/r and 2 folds would suck though.

ok.
When you take a free card, then you lose FE.

So it's a combo FE, Value, Free Card bet?

I'm not sure how to add al that up; but I think you take the "free" card by not betting the flop at all and perhaps get a huge chance to raise in pos when you hit on the turn
Which you got to do anyways because you knew you would hit - and so would opponents

Meh. Betting is fun. I feel like posting results.

Results - UTG had J6hh and BB had 75o lol my read was way off

congrats.

Another benefit of checking river, you see that cheese.

It always makes me feel a bit better when I semi-chicken out of a value bet spot, and see that they have trash that they wouldn't have called a bet with anyways.

I always bet this flop, and it has nothing to do with fold equity. Yes, we need 3 calls in order to have the proper pot equity to justify our bet. The reason I am betting this flop isn't just for equity, it is to take control of the hand. Whenever you have a strong hand or a decent draw, in position, you have to try to take control of the hand.

The reason you play these borderline hands in position is because 1.) you can already see there are going to be some limpers 2.)post flop you are in a good position to take control of the hand.

By betting this flop, most of the time the turn is getting checked to us. There are times where the flop will get check raised, but that isn't the end of the world. If we don't bet the flop, we will often have to face a turn bet, making it more expensive for us to draw to our straight then just betting the flop and taking the free card on the turn. This has already been discussed, but I still think it is a valuable play. If we hit our straight on the turn, raising the flop has become an even more profitable play. You are going to get called down by a lot of hands that would not expect you to have a straight. On top of that, you will sometimes get checkraised on the turn by hands not expecting to see a straight. By betting the flop you usually allow yourself to control the action for the rest of the hand.

yeah, in a perfect scenario.

What are you refering to with this? Only in a perfect scenario the turn gets checked to us if we bet? I think any loose passive game this turn gets checked to us about 80% of the time.

online poker you are more likely to see a flop c.r and/or turn bet into you.

I don't like the idea of spending a bet we never needed to bet just to sometimes get a cheaper look at the turn, unles there is value in the bet.
We're hopig for 3 calls and for no one to bet the turn, or raise the flop

it's not horrible by any means, just imo, not as good as checking