loxo
Monday, May 28th, 2007, 8:58 PM
MTT, 800 entrants 63 pay, we are down to 93 I have a top ten stack. Table had been kinda crazy. I had been playing well and showing down good hands and have picked up a couple of pots here and there. In fact I have yet to lose a pot at showdown in this tourny.
SB is very loose. He has shown several marginal hands and caught a couple of lucky rivers in pots he had no right being in to get his stack to where it is. I haven't played any hands with him at all but he has commented on my hands a couple of times with things like very nice hand and well played so I know he has seen me show down some hands. Have also seen him push ~ 30k into a 2.5k pot preflop with AA and proudly show the table when everyone folds. Someone has just mentioned to him how nice his stack is and he replied that it wouldn't last long. I guess I'm really saying that I think his range is pretty huge here so I think I'm ok getting my chips in, your thoughts?
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t600 (9 handed)
Hand History Converter Tool from
FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FCP)
Hero (t23304)
MP2 (t13138)
MP3 (t5456)
CO (t8648)
Button (t6146)
SB (t49216)
BB (t14315)
UTG (t7313)
UTG+1 (t25241)
Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K

, A

.
2 folds,
Hero raises to t2000,
3 folds,
Button raises to t6096, SB calls t5796,
1 fold,
Hero raises to t23254???, SB calls t17158.
James D
Monday, May 28th, 2007, 9:10 PM
Yeah, I'd insta-shove there. Too much money in the pot already.
Also, there's still 30 places left until the bubble, so that can't come into your thinking too much just yet imo.
loxo
Monday, May 28th, 2007, 9:17 PM
QUOTE (James D @ Monday, May 28th, 2007, 9:10 PM)

Yeah, I'd insta-shove there. Too much money in the pot already.
Also, there's still 30 places left until the bubble, so that can't come into your thinking too much just yet imo.
Yeah, I'm not worried about the bubble at all. Only thing I'm concerned about is getting approx. 40BB's in preflop with AK. Thx for your response.
Gallo
Monday, May 28th, 2007, 9:18 PM
First of all, I hate players like the SB who flat call raises like that andthen probably see themselves as committed to the pot after calling another player's all in, usually they call with cards they shouldn't be in a pot in situations like yours. They normally are calling with cards like KJ or A10 or something or other and they wind up hitting the card that doesn't match yours. That really drives me up the wall.
Ok, now that I got that off my chest...
Personally, I'd probably do the same because you are trying to isolate here and take a player out and at the same time sending a message to the SB that you have a very strong hand. If he has a strong pp, which I probably doubt since he only called the all in, I'm thinking for the most part that you are ahead of his calling range.
I just hate when the stupid donks hit their other hole card or catch their miracle flush or straight.
GG.
untunga
Tuesday, May 29th, 2007, 9:05 AM
I see no problem with that move at all...
meservery
Tuesday, May 29th, 2007, 9:43 AM
QUOTE (loxo @ Tuesday, May 29th, 2007, 12:58 AM)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K

, A

.
2 folds,
Hero raises to t2000,
3 folds,
Button raises to t6096, SB calls t5796,
1 fold,
Hero raises to t23254???, SB calls t17158.
What happened to the button? Looks like he dissappeared. Also dont show that the SB did call your shove. Just post up until your shove.
I play it the same.
timwakefield
Tuesday, May 29th, 2007, 10:46 AM
In my opinion SB's overcall is often a monster if he's an intelligent player, and I like just calling. But you have a read on him that he's playing pots with weird hands at weird times, so his range is probably pretty huge. Shove it.
uncooper
Tuesday, May 29th, 2007, 1:25 PM
QUOTE (meservery @ Tuesday, May 29th, 2007, 1:43 PM)

What happened to the button? Looks like he dissappeared. Also dont show that the SB did call your shove. Just post up until your shove.
I play it the same.
I think the button raised all in. So he didn't have to call hero's all in.
donk4life
Tuesday, May 29th, 2007, 1:31 PM
QUOTE (meservery @ Tuesday, May 29th, 2007, 12:43 PM)

What happened to the button? Looks like he dissappeared. Also dont show that the SB did call your shove. Just post up until your shove.
I play it the same.
Does it really matter? Why would he post this hand if the SB folded? If the SB folds, then he obviously made the right play..
Zach6668
Tuesday, May 29th, 2007, 3:28 PM
QUOTE (donk4life @ Tuesday, May 29th, 2007, 5:31 PM)

Does it really matter? Why would he post this hand if the SB folded? If the SB folds, then he obviously made the right play..
Um... no.
donk4life
Tuesday, May 29th, 2007, 3:36 PM
QUOTE (Zach6668 @ Tuesday, May 29th, 2007, 6:28 PM)

Um... no.
please explain
Zach6668
Tuesday, May 29th, 2007, 3:39 PM
QUOTE (donk4life @ Tuesday, May 29th, 2007, 7:36 PM)

please explain
Whether SB folds or calls is irrelevant to the debate over whether it's a correct push or not.
This is why we aren't supposed to include results.
donk4life
Tuesday, May 29th, 2007, 3:41 PM
QUOTE (Zach6668 @ Tuesday, May 29th, 2007, 6:39 PM)

Whether SB folds or calls is irrelevant to the debate over whether it's a correct push or not.
This is why we aren't supposed to include results.
I know I agree with you on that..
But don't you think if the SB folded the OP wouldn't have created a thread about this?
meservery
Tuesday, May 29th, 2007, 3:50 PM
QUOTE (uncooper @ Tuesday, May 29th, 2007, 5:25 PM)

I think the button raised all in. So he didn't have to call hero's all in.
I'm retarded. Thanks.
QUOTE (donk4life @ Tuesday, May 29th, 2007, 7:41 PM)

I know I agree with you on that..
But don't you think if the SB folded the OP wouldn't have created a thread about this?
Okay. Next time before I shove in my chips with AK, i'll make sure to ask the SB if he wants to gamble with his 44s ahead of time.
donk4life
Tuesday, May 29th, 2007, 3:54 PM
QUOTE (meservery @ Tuesday, May 29th, 2007, 6:50 PM)

Okay. Next time before I shove in my chips with AK, i'll make sure to ask the SB if he wants to gamble with his 44s ahead of time.
I give up...
I should have just said "saying the SB called isn't posting results".. That's what I meant to say
There, thats easier, flame me for that
Zach6668
Tuesday, May 29th, 2007, 4:05 PM
QUOTE (donk4life @ Tuesday, May 29th, 2007, 7:54 PM)

I give up...
I should have just said "saying the SB called isn't posting results".. That's what I meant to say
There, thats easier, flame me for that
Yes.
Yes it is.
donk4life
Tuesday, May 29th, 2007, 4:30 PM
QUOTE (Zach6668 @ Tuesday, May 29th, 2007, 7:05 PM)

Yes.
Yes it is.
Well i'm not gonna argue with you anymore..
I'll just take your word for it..
Well done zach, you win again
loxo
Tuesday, May 29th, 2007, 4:37 PM
Yeah button was all in.
Sorry about leaving the sb calling in, just edited the results and didn't really think about excluding his call, will do next time.
Tim, as for the sb just calling the button's push I agree with you here. I know if I had AA,KK I would smooth call here hoping to trap but as for this particular player I was almost certain he didn't have one of those hands.
I posted this hand purely to see what you guys thought about getting so much money in with AK preflop, especially if we felt we had an advantage over most of the players at the table? I felt like it was the aggressive approach and against his range probably the correct one, just wanted some other opinions.
Thx
loxo
Wednesday, May 30th, 2007, 6:32 AM
Gotta say I'm a bit dissapointed. Anyway results.
Button 88
SB AJs
Flop K82xx
I won a nice side pot which was good but got berated for my push by a few on the rail about how much I had risked with AK, hence my query.
Yahkin
Wednesday, May 30th, 2007, 6:46 AM
QUOTE (loxo @ Wednesday, May 30th, 2007, 9:32 AM)

Gotta say I'm a bit dissapointed. Anyway results.
Button 88
SB AJs
Flop K82xx
I won a nice side pot which was good but got berated for my push by a few on the rail about how much I had risked with AK, hence my query.
There is a reason they are on the rail.
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