river villain: 17/5/1.65 150 hands

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Preflop: Actuary is BB with , .
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 2 folds, MP3 calls, 3 folds, Actuary checks.

Flop: (3.50 SB) , , (3 players)
Actuary checks, UTG+1 bets, MP3 calls, Actuary raises, UTG+1 calls, MP3 calls.

Turn: (4.75 BB) (3 players)
Actuary checks, UTG+1 checks, MP3 bets, Actuary calls, UTG+1 folds.

River: (6.75 BB) (2 players)
Actuary checks -

all streets
blah, I like feedback.

I lead that flop every time.

That really changes the way the turn is played. If the flop doesn't get raised, and it's HU, I'll fire again, 3 ways, I'll prolly c/c.

As played, ya, turn is good, I think. If you have reads that they'll fold turns a lot, like they are the type of player who generally peel one off on the flop every time, then I can bet here, even 3 handed. The Q is a decent scare card for small pairs.

I would lead the river. If someone had shown considerable interest throughout the whole hand, I'm ok with the c/r. In this case however, you had UTG bet/call the flop and fold the turn, and on the turn MP just bet when checked to, so there's no guarantee he bets this river. He could have been on a pure steal bluff on the turn, or maybe had a small pair and will take the free SD on this scary card.

suspected something and just verified:

it's all about the blinds this time sround.
Of all y losing sessions, I lost a bunch in the blinds.
In my big winning sessions, I crushed in the blinds.
The winning sessions were less correlating after the big ones; but losing was very telling.

I was actually a winner in the blinds before tonight
I'm not sure I've ever seen such a clear stat.

while we're talking,
I c/r 2.5% of all action.
flop 46%, turn 36%, river 17%.

I should go read the PT forums, just wondering what anyone here has to say.

I've got 30k hands in my current DB.

I c/r 1.14% (47 out of 4130). Not sure what significance this is though.

My blind stats:

(0.18) in the BB
(0.15) in the SB (keeping in mind about 6k of these hands are at 3/6 in a 2/3 structure).

My SB VPIP is 26.13, and in the BB It's 34.29.

Fold SB to steal 86.21, and folded BB to steal 56.67.

This is 99.6% shorthanded.

i fold to steals:

SB: 90%
BB 55%
HU 57%

WR:

BB (0.08)
SB (0.05)

small sample...I'll refrain from specfc stats, just thought I c/r a bit more on river and turn than before and surprised at Blind correlation to succcess in sessions

To be honest, I used to do a lot more c/r'ing on the river, especially back in the Party days, when I was first staring to learn LHE, than I do now. I almost always donk when I catch my flush, etc. There are a ton of c/r situations and opponents, but I definitely donk it a lot more.

lead the flop
i probably lead the river too, as it doesnt seem anyone likes their hand too much.

Leading the flop is standard when there is no raise pf. Why don't any of you continue betting the turn????

We no longer have an equity advantage, and very little fold equity vs 2 other players, and a chance that we get raised, which is bad for us when we no longer have an equity edge.

I hate when I lead these flops and it gets raised, and then I'm HU and OOP.
I know it's a risk since we can't count on a bet from anyone; but then again, we don't have a hand anyway and the pot is tiny.

update on all these river c/r: It +EV. They can't stop betting and calling.
this villain is 25/1.3/0.89 And he can't help himself!

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Preflop: C/R Fool is MP1 with , .
2 folds, C/R Fool raises, MP2 calls, 4 folds, BB calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) , , (3 players)
BB checks, C/R Fool bets, MP2 calls, BB folds.

Turn: (4.25 BB) (2 players)
C/R Fool bets, MP2 calls.

River: (6.25 BB) (2 players)
C/R Fool checks, MP2 bets, C/R Fool raises, MP2 calls.

Final Pot: 10.25 BB

Results
C/R Fool has Kc As (two pair, aces and kings).
MP2 has 7s 7d (two pair, eights and sevens).
Outcome: C/R Fool wins 10.25 BB.

(yeah I know it's funnier when he has a flush and I lose 1 more BB than leading)

Na, those are solid.

I've been changing my c/r's on the river. Like I said in a previous post, I've been donking a lot more when I hit my draws, but when I have a hand already, and the lead, I've been c/r'ing a bit vs the right opponents.

The thing is, if they check behind, odds are they had something that wasn't even going to call a bet. If they bet, it's because they had some piece all along and now they think they're value betting.

You also get value from hands that missed their draws. You get 1 bet out of them if they bluff, instead of them just folding the river. It's gotta be against non-passive players, but it's a great value tool.

The only downfall is the type who are content to get to showdown when they have bottom pair, and check behind. You miss value from them because they would have called a river bet.

I'm not sure my last example is solid.
It just demonstrates how, perhaps, *we* forget how awful players are.
THis guy was a telephone, and still bet AND CALLED the river with 77.
THat board is a bit scary for me to expect a bet, maybe.
I think this play pisses people off, for sure, at least

but if both your overs are live then youre a coinflip in a good position to c/r

also, we dont have a hand yet but we have tons of equity in this pot and we want the pot to get bigger.
besides, the c/r on the flop is only good if UTG bets out and MP calls
if UTG checked and MP bet, we might not want to raise to force UTG with 2 cold

(then again, i wonder if c/r when MP bet could win us the whole pot without having to improve, if MP was just betting because it was checked to him. if this was the case, i think we'd win the pot outright by just betting the flop anyway.)