When you mention the 18yr old kid, are you talking about holdemphil? I also disagree when you say that most people that play those just have money to burn. I've seen many of the same faces play these 5k hu sngs and feel that they can hold their own against the majority of pros. Especially erik123. On another note, does anyone know when the biography of stu ungar is set to be released? I'm really looking forward to reading that book.