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[subsin]

i went to a casino today, and got very upset one hand, im in first position with a raise and i call, around 5 people in the hand....i have Q8C, and flop comes Qh Jh 7d, my first instinct was to go all-in but i checked it, everyone checks behind me, turn is 10h, possibly that was the worst card for me, i check raise, everyone calls, i fold, river is 8h, which would have given me two pair but im happy i laid it down, with a 1 card straight and flush out there, raise everyone calls, NO ONE HAS A HEART OR THE STRAIGHT,!!!!!!, SOMEONE WITH AJ OFFSUIT WINS, i made the correct laydown right?

[RISEorFall]

You shouldn't have even seen the flop. Q8 is not a hand to play from early position, or in late position for that matter, unless you're at a pretty weak table. And on the end, yes, it is the smart laydown, with four flush and four straight out there you're beat 90% of the time, especially with more than one person in the hand. Even if you hit 2-pair, you're almost always beat. The only time I'd call here is if it was heads up or I had really really good reads on my opponents.

[akishore]

subsin said:

i went to a casino today, and got very upset one hand, im in first position with a raise and i call, around 5 people in the hand....i have Q8C, and flop comes   Qh Jh 7d, my first instinct was to go all-in but i checked it, everyone checks behind me, turn is 10h, possibly that was the worst card for me, i check raise, everyone calls, i fold, river is 8h, which would have given me two pair but im happy i laid it down, with a 1 card straight and flush out there, raise everyone calls, NO ONE HAS A HEART OR THE STRAIGHT,!!!!!!, SOMEONE WITH AJ OFFSUIT WINS, i made the correct laydown right?

this makes very little sense. from what i can decipher, you folded on the turn, which is fine. if you could clarify a few things...you're in first position? that means UTG? what does it mean to be in first position with a raise? and you call? what??you checkraise and fold when everyone calls on the turn??other than that, a few points:Q8s isn't playable.your first instinct with top pair weak kicker should never be to go all-in.aseem

[rog]

Q8 is not playable from early position facing a raise. More troubling is

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my first instinct was to go all-in

Umm...you clearly should NOT be trusting your instincts. You have a marginal hand. You will only get called by hands that have you beat or have lots of outs to a monster. You may be beat already by a set or an overpair. Not to mention that the AJ that won it could easily have been AQ.

[subsin]

akishore said:

subsin said:

i went to a casino today, and got very upset one hand, im in first position with a raise and i call, around 5 people in the hand....i have Q8C, and flop comes   Qh Jh 7d, my first instinct was to go all-in but i checked it, everyone checks behind me, turn is 10h, possibly that was the worst card for me, i check raise, everyone calls, i fold, river is 8h, which would have given me two pair but im happy i laid it down, with a 1 card straight and flush out there, raise everyone calls, NO ONE HAS A HEART OR THE STRAIGHT,!!!!!!, SOMEONE WITH AJ OFFSUIT WINS, i made the correct laydown right?

this makes very little sense. from what i can decipher, you folded on the turn, which is fine. if you could clarify a few things...you're in first position? that means UTG? what does it mean to be in first position with a raise? and you call? what??you checkraise and fold when everyone calls on the turn??other than that, a few points:Q8s isn't playable.your first instinct with top pair weak kicker should never be to go all-in.aseem

sorry, shoulda put a comma, "i chcked, then there was a raise

[DCWildcat]

I suggest studying some poker literature before you go back. I'm not trying to demean you, but legitimately thinking it's a good decision to call a raise with Q8s and push with only top pair and no kicker on the flop tells me that you should get some more experience before playing in a casino again.

[subsin]

DCWildcat said:

I suggest studying some poker literature before you go back. I'm not trying to demean you, but legitimately thinking it's a good decision to call a raise with Q8s and push with only top pair and no kicker on the flop tells me that you should get some more experience before playing in a casino again.

what are u talking about, i said i checked, because i was in first position, and everyone checked behind me, then i checked again on the turn, someone raised and i folded,

[DCWildcat]

I only echoed what you wrote. I predicated that whole sentence with "legitimately thinking," which I meant to apply to the preflop decision and the postflop decision.I apologize for the misunderstanding.

[subsin]

DCWildcat said:

I only echoed what you wrote. I predicated that whole sentence with "legitimately thinking," which I meant to apply to the preflop decision and the postflop decision.I apologize for the misunderstanding.

its koo, i didnt seperate my sentence fragments :sick: :bubbleoops:

[RISEorFall]

subsin said:

its koo, i didnt seperate my sentence fragments :sick: :bubbleoops:

This may be the most amusing thing I've heard all day. I love the english language.

[subsin]

XXEddie said:

....mayve this has been explained....but why are you calling raises with Q8s

blinds were 1/2, raise was to around 7, forgot i was in first position, hoping my suits could come out and they wouldnt suspect anything, i like keeping my opponents off balance, i had 5-6 off suit one hand and raised not to hope to win the pot but to mix my game up a lil, i also had the chips to play around with, i was up in money so, decided to play a LITTLE loose,

[RISEorFall]

subsin said:

blinds were 1/2, raise was to around 7, forgot i was in first position, hoping my suits could come out and they wouldnt suspect anything, i like keeping my opponents off balance, i had 5-6 off suit one hand and raised not to hope to win the pot but to mix my game up a lil, i also had the chips to play around with, i was up in money so, decided to play a LITTLE loose,

while I wholeheartedly do not disagree with this, I would like to offer maybe a tweak to this strategy. If you want to mix it up, maybe play hands that play better from different positions. the 5-6o you were talking about would probably play better from early position as if you pair up it's easy to dump the hand. You're looking for straights, two pair and trips with 5-6, not pairs. With Q8, you can get too attached to the hand if a Q hits and would be difficult to play with in early position, and would be much easier from later position. Just a thought...

[Mr Monkey]

subsin said:

blinds were 1/2, raise was to around 7, forgot i was in first position, hoping my suits could come out and they wouldnt suspect anything, i like keeping my opponents off balance, i had 5-6 off suit one hand and raised not to hope to win the pot but to mix my game up a lil, i also had the chips to play around with, i was up in money so, decided to play a LITTLE loose,

in another post u asked if u were getting unlucky or if you were a bad player. just from reading this thread it seems clear that u need to study and improve your game

[subsin]

Mr Monkey said:

subsin said:

blinds were 1/2, raise was to around 7, forgot i was in first position, hoping my suits could come out and they wouldnt suspect anything, i like keeping my opponents off balance, i had 5-6 off suit one hand and raised not to hope to win the pot but to mix my game up a lil, i also had the chips to play around with, i was up in money so, decided to play a LITTLE loose,

in another post u asked if u were getting unlucky or if you were a bad player. just from reading this thread it seems clear that u need to study and improve your game

i dont get unlucky when i play these types of hands(q8 ) but when i have the best starting hand, such as AK, and ihit my king, and some dumb smuck goes for the runner runner, and his reasoning would be, "they were suited", i dont play 5-6 online, most of my bad luck comes from online, such as if i had the AK

[Scott3705]

subsin said:

i dont get unlucky when i play these types of hands(q8 ) but when i have the best starting hand, such as AK, and ihit my king, and some dumb smuck goes for the runner runner, and his reasoning would be, "they were suited", i dont play 5-6 online, most of my bad luck comes from online, such as if i had the AK

I would definately suggest you begin playing more suited connectors online. The implied odds in an online game where no one can realease AQ if an ace hits are just too high. You always have to play ak, AA, KK. But, you're gonna take bigger pots with lower suited connectors. That's just been my experience online. (live for that matter too)

[subsin]

Scott3705 said:

subsin said:

i dont get unlucky when i play these types of hands(q8 ) but when i have the best starting hand, such as AK, and ihit my king, and some dumb smuck goes for the runner runner, and his reasoning would be, "they were suited", i dont play 5-6 online, most of my bad luck comes from online, such as if i had the AK

I would definately suggest you begin playing more suited connectors online. The implied odds in an online game where no one can realease AQ if an ace hits are just too high. You always have to play ak, AA, KK. But, you're gonna take bigger pots with lower suited connectors. That's just been my experience online. (live for that matter too)

i definately agree, my problem is sometimes i cant lay down suited connecters, 78 and 9-10 are my favorite, the 5-6 i was talking about was in a live game and they werent suited, i had no real amibition to win that small pot