James D 0 Posted May 23, 2007 Share Posted May 23, 2007 Later stages of mtt, on the next 'pay bubble' for last 26. Villain is very aggressive, a good player and very much a big table presence. But, I feel has a tendency to get too involved with marginal hands. He isolated a short stack shove with J10s a couple of hands before this.PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t3000 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FCP)UTG (t22016)UTG+1 (t10917)MP1 (t38801)MP2 (t50691)MP3 (t69812)CO (t77695)Hero (t64530)SB (t82312)BB (t57964)Preflop: Hero is Button with K , A . 3 folds, MP2 calls t3000, 2 folds, Hero raises to t15000, 2 folds, MP2 raises to t50691, Hero ?I have him covered by around 14,000 chips.Whilst his early to mid limp surprised/concerned me (hadn't seen any of that at this table), I'm pretty much never limping along there too, with AK.Two things to bear in mind... 1- He's a very good player who's limp re-raised all in from MP2. 2- I'm sure he's very capable of seeing my button raise as a positional steal.If I lose, I'm crippled... if I win, I'm a top 3 stack.Thoughts? Link to post Share on other sites
gobears 0 Posted May 23, 2007 Share Posted May 23, 2007 You're getting 2-1 on the call and villain has shown the ability to get aggressive with a fairly wide range of hands. The limp/push is scary but you're only a huge dog to AA/KK and you have an ace and a king in your hand which drops the odds a little more.I'd have to call here and take my chances. Link to post Share on other sites
James D 0 Posted May 23, 2007 Author Share Posted May 23, 2007 Yeah, he liked to get aggressive, but never in this manner. The J10 hand was really to illustrate how he pushed very small edges, by isolating therefore also taking the c5,000 in blinds and antes if he won.He can get away from hands, and I don't believe he's pulling this tricky of a bluff. Hard to explain in a vacuum, but in terms of table dynamics this reeked of extreme strength, instantly. Link to post Share on other sites
GrinderMJ 0 Posted May 23, 2007 Share Posted May 23, 2007 Call for reasons stated by gobears. Link to post Share on other sites
simo_8ball 1 Posted May 25, 2007 Share Posted May 25, 2007 Instacall and outdraw his 77. Link to post Share on other sites
litlebullet 0 Posted May 25, 2007 Share Posted May 25, 2007 Instacall and outdraw his kk.fyp. Link to post Share on other sites
simo_8ball 1 Posted May 25, 2007 Share Posted May 25, 2007 fyp.You think he has KK? Link to post Share on other sites
timwakefield 69 Posted May 25, 2007 Share Posted May 25, 2007 Last night I had a guy open-limp from the CO, I pushed TT from the button and he called with aces (near the damn final table ), so people can be tricky jerks with their aces. I call though, I think he often reads your bet as a position play and pushes back with a lot of pairs, AQ, etc. Link to post Share on other sites
litlebullet 0 Posted May 25, 2007 Share Posted May 25, 2007 yeah ak is hardly ever good against a limp all-in push from utg. Sure he's lag but a good lag is gonna make sure he's got the goods when he gets it all-in pre-flop. He has no reason to risk his tourney life without a big hand when a lag lubs to just keep taking blinds. edited my bad he's not utg which makes you worry more. a lag would take a shot at the blinds with a wide range and since he didn't you have to put him on something that wants action. Link to post Share on other sites
offmandh 0 Posted May 25, 2007 Share Posted May 25, 2007 yeah ak is hardly ever good against a limp all-in push from utg. Sure he's lag but a good lag is gonna make sure he's got the goods when he gets it all-in pre-flop. He has no reason to risk his tourney life without a big hand when a lag lubs to just keep taking blinds. edited my bad he's not utg which makes you worry more. a lag would take a shot at the blinds with a wide range and since he didn't you have to put him on something that wants action.thats a really good point but he has still shown a propensity to do crazy stuff and the pot is offering you 2to1 so i call Link to post Share on other sites
simo_8ball 1 Posted May 26, 2007 Share Posted May 26, 2007 You are VERY nearly getting odds if he has KK (you are ~30%, and you need ~33%), so the only han you can fold to is AA. It's an absolute no brainer. Link to post Share on other sites
litlebullet 0 Posted May 26, 2007 Share Posted May 26, 2007 odds schmodds I don't get this far to gamble. I still have a M of 11 if I fold I can find a better spot. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted May 26, 2007 Share Posted May 26, 2007 odds schmodds I don't get this far to gamble. I still have a M of 11 if I fold I can find a better spot. Link to post Share on other sites
simo_8ball 1 Posted May 26, 2007 Share Posted May 26, 2007 odds schmodds I don't get this far to gamble. I still have a M of 11 if I fold I can find a better spot.Sw? Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted May 26, 2007 Share Posted May 26, 2007 Sw?No, I'm pretty sure he's completely serious. He's a "feel" player. Link to post Share on other sites
simo_8ball 1 Posted May 26, 2007 Share Posted May 26, 2007 No, I'm pretty sure he's completely serious. He's a "feel" player.Yeah, the 'I can find a better spot' line is always a killer. Link to post Share on other sites
litlebullet 0 Posted May 26, 2007 Share Posted May 26, 2007 Yeah, the 'I can find a better spot' line is always a killer.call me greedy but I always want the money to go in as me being the 70/30 fave. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted May 26, 2007 Share Posted May 26, 2007 call me greedy but I always want the money to go in as me being the 70/30 fave.lol, you aren't that good.Seriously. Link to post Share on other sites
simo_8ball 1 Posted May 26, 2007 Share Posted May 26, 2007 call me greedy but I always want the money to go in as me being the 70/30 fave.You're greedy. I'm not joking.Take any edge. This guy can easily have underpairs here. Calling is +EV. You might want to be a 70/30 favourite every time, but it is VERY rare to get a situation where you are >70% against someone's range. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted May 26, 2007 Share Posted May 26, 2007 Simo, didn't we go over this like 2 weeks ago?And a few weeks before that?Then 2 million times before that? Link to post Share on other sites
timwakefield 69 Posted May 26, 2007 Share Posted May 26, 2007 As simo explained, we're almost getting good odds to call KK. His range here can't be KK+. Link to post Share on other sites
simo_8ball 1 Posted May 26, 2007 Share Posted May 26, 2007 Simo, didn't we go over this like 2 weeks ago?And a few weeks before that?Then 2 million times before that?I don't know. I forget. I am so tweaked right now. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted May 26, 2007 Share Posted May 26, 2007 Fyi, Bullet, check out these threads from 2p2:http://archiveserver.twoplustwo.com/ubbthr...ite_id/1#importhttp://archiveserver.twoplustwo.com/ubbthr...ite_id/1#import Link to post Share on other sites
Sid Simelia 0 Posted May 26, 2007 Share Posted May 26, 2007 I think he had Aces. I'm not a great player, but I don't want the short end of the coinflip. If he tried to limp, make a set, and then thought you were stealing with two overs, that's a big flip. Maybe AK suited would give you that extra 2% you need..Did we call? Did he have Aces? Link to post Share on other sites
SlackerInc 0 Posted May 26, 2007 Share Posted May 26, 2007 Easy call. Link to post Share on other sites
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