Set It Up.

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11 man table Live 1/2NLHero, $300.Villain Is MP3 with $300 give or take, Villain thinks hero is a "pro player" and has been goin on about a few of the regulars at the table being too good for himHero is BB with 3,3UTG fold, UTG+1 limp, MP1 raise to 11. MP2 fold MP3 call, LP1 fold, LP2 call, C/O fold, button call, sb fold, hero call. UTG+1 call6 players (pot 61 after rake)flop 3s,8h,10dhero check, UTG+1 check, MP1 bet 15. MP3 call, LP2 call, button fold. hero call. UTG+1 fold4 players (pot 121)turn 6shero check, MP1 check, MP3 bet 30. LP2 fold, Hero raise to 100. UTG+1 fold. anyone like? dislike?

[Acid_Knight 2]

Only because there was already a bet and 2 calls on the flop, I like raising there.

[Royal_Tour 0]

Only because there was already a bet and 2 calls on the flop, I like raising there.

you mean, the check/raise?what about leading the turn?

[Lavitz 0]

I like check raising that flop only because 2 called after original raiser led out. I don't necessarily want to scare them out but I want to make them pay if they have a straight draw. Sometimes I will lead here as well. Given big field you'll probably get at least one caller and original raiser might reraise if he has something legitimate like an overpair.As played I would probably lead turn. Original raiser's pathetic flop bet means he has nothing and he's not going to lead again. Checking this risks seeing free river which can bring a lot of scare cards. There's plenty of "pair with a gutshot" combinations or 2 pairs out there and while the 2 pairs might bet this turn, the "pair with a gutshot" might check it behind to try and hit their straight. If you get reraised further on turn a straight is a good possibility but we're defintley not laying this down on flop or turn.

[Acid_Knight 2]

you mean, the check/raise?what about leading the turn?

Yeah, check raise the flop, but not too big.On the turn, I have mixed feelings about what to do. The villain is only leading again if he has a big hand, but maybe if he checks, one of the other 2 will bet. I dunno, I guess I like the chances of getting your checkraise in on the turn.I like how you played it.

[Roberts2003 0]

if i have 33 here, i either lead the flop or check raise the flop every time. i feel like even without a flush draw out there, theres a number of cards i dont want to see because everyone stays in with any straight draw, and there are 3 other people in. if a 9 comes, arnt you worried about QJ?

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if i have 33 here, i either lead the flop or check raise the flop every time. i feel like even without a flush draw out there, theres a number of cards i dont want to see because everyone stays in with any straight draw, and there are 3 other people in. if a 9 comes, arnt you worried about QJ?

I'm not sure 100% if it was exactly an 8, and a 10. it was live, and hard to really remember, but i know it was rainbow, and low rags witout anything scary.Yes, there is the possibility of someone catching a draw. but there wasnt any draws out there that scared me. I remember for sure the turn was a 6, and it gave only 1 possible way to make the straight. there wasnt really any cards that could hit the turn that really F'ed me over, except maybe if the turn does bring a big conecting 3 way straight draw.like 8,9,10. andsomeone. but in reality. even then, i'm only scared of J,Q, J,7 and 67. which becomes read depended, if you can put the players in the hand on a gut shot chase.Only person not chasing is the flop better, which I play with regularily, and I have trouble seeing him playing any of those hands that way. The other players who called the 15 on the flop havent shown any "Gamble" since i've sat with them. I cant see any of them chasing a gutter.If the flop was 8,10,3 and someone held 7,9. then obv the 6 is a horrible turn card for me, but what type of play am i making on the flop that pushes out a 7,9 there? while still trying to gain some EV on a set.I dont really like raising the flop here to push people out. I like my chances in seeing a turn card.

[Spence 0]

I like leading the flop with 6 people in the hand. Also disguises your hand a bit more, might get more people putting you on TPWK or MPTK or something to that effect.I don't like the check call on the flop. It puts you in a tougher position to try to extract chips given you're in the BB. A check raise on turn will scream of strength after a check call on flop. What else would you possibly play that way except maybe two pair. If you lead the flop you probably get the same amount of callers, and when you lead the flop you will have given up less information on your hand, you could very well be doing this with 2 10's with decent kicker trying to get the draws out. You were destined to not make a tremendous amount of money on this hand unless you got somebody with a T to raise you on the turn or simply call you down on the turn/river.

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I like leading the flop with 6 people in the hand. Also disguises your hand a bit more, might get more people putting you on TPWK or MPTK or something to that effect.I don't like the check call on the flop. It puts you in a tougher position to try to extract chips given you're in the BB. A check raise on turn will scream of strength after a check call on flop. What else would you possibly play that way except maybe two pair. If you lead the flop you probably get the same amount of callers, and when you lead the flop you will have given up less information on your hand, you could very well be doing this with 2 10's with decent kicker trying to get the draws out. You were destined to not make a tremendous amount of money on this hand unless you got somebody with a T to raise you on the turn or simply call you down on the turn/river.

i'm also not going to make any money leading this flop unless someone has a piece, or thinks i'm full of BS. right?

[Spence 0]

Correct, but given that it's a limped pot there's a better chance somebody has 76, 86, T9, J9, etc as opposed to AK/AQ etc.I don't hate the check/call I just think it puts you in a precarious position, and you give away the strenght of your hand moreso.Maybe this type of thinking isn't needed at 1/2 live. :)do the majority of people at that lvl pay attention, and not just play their hand in a vacuum?

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Correct, but given that it's a limped pot there's a better chance somebody has 76, 86, T9, J9, etc as opposed to AK/AQ etc.I don't hate the check/call I just think it puts you in a precarious position, and you give away the strenght of your hand moreso.Maybe this type of thinking isn't needed at 1/2 live. :)do the majority of people at that lvl pay attention, and not just play their hand in a vacuum?

no it was raised to 11 preflop

[Spence 0]

guess I can't read italics!!!If thats the case I don't mind the check-call hoping for an A/K/Q to show its face. Sorry about the misinformation.

[Scott3705 0]

i like the C/C on the flop on that board. I'm not sure about the turn cause we're not really sure that we're getting any sort of bet on the turn. (It played out for you nicely, but I'm not sure we can expect it all the time). Thinking about it now though, what does MP3 call the flop cold with and then bet on the turn? I guess at 1/2 his range is wide enough that the str8 is a small enough portion that we're just going to have to pay it off, I just hate pushing into a huge made hand.

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i like the C/C on the flop on that board. I'm not sure about the turn cause we're not really sure that we're getting any sort of bet on the turn. (It played out for you nicely, but I'm not sure we can expect it all the time). Thinking about it now though, what does MP3 call the flop cold with and then bet on the turn? I guess at 1/2 his range is wide enough that the str8 is a small enough portion that we're just going to have to pay it off, I just hate pushing into a huge made hand.

i think MP3 had a lower pocket pair or Middle pair/ TP type of hand, not sure what he would call 11 preflop with from that position, but when i raised. he looked at me like "finally, someone has something" and said he has nothing so he let it go.Everyone else at the table said I had nothing and just picked up on the weakness. which I hope they all think so I could set a similar check raise up later

[krup24 0]

I'm with Acid here with a bet and 2 calls on the flop i reraise to say $45-50. For $15 almost all pps are coming along for the ride and the turn can easily produce a nice draw. I don't slowplay with this many players in the pot.

[Acid_Knight 2]

I'm with Acid here with a bet and 2 calls on the flop i reraise to say $45-50. For $15 almost all pps are coming along for the ride and the turn can easily produce a nice draw. I don't slowplay with this many players in the pot.

I like when people agree with me.The differentiation that I want to make is that I'm not raising on the flop to protect my hand from anything. I have the best hand here. If I don't, I'm not getting away from it anyway. I just want to get money into the pot and I'd prefer to get as much in on this harmless looking board while I can.

[offmandh 0]

I like check raising that flop only because 2 called after original raiser led out. I don't necessarily want to scare them out but I want to make them pay if they have a straight draw. Sometimes I will lead here as well. Given big field you'll probably get at least one caller and original raiser might reraise if he has something legitimate like an overpair.As played I would probably lead turn. Original raiser's pathetic flop bet means he has nothing and he's not going to lead again. Checking this risks seeing free river which can bring a lot of scare cards. There's plenty of "pair with a gutshot" combinations or 2 pairs out there and while the 2 pairs might bet this turn, the "pair with a gutshot" might check it behind to try and hit their straight. If you get reraised further on turn a straight is a good possibility but we're defintley not laying this down on flop or turn.

i agree. and thursday is awesome.