I May Have Butchered Jacks

[mikeysong 0]

Villain is 25.2/17.24/1.99Ok so my thought process here is to call down at first but then when the K hit on the turn, I figure I can raise and fold to a 3bet as my line is very strong. When he just calls, I figure I can value bet the river.Perhaps I am getting too greedy w/this line. I really don't know, thoughts?Limit Holdem Ring gameLimit: $10/$206 playersConverterPre-flop: (6 players) Hero is Button with UTG raises, 2 folds, Hero 3-bets, SB folds, BB calls, UTG calls.Flop: (9.5SB, 3 players)BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets, BB folds, UTG raises, Hero calls.Turn: (6.75BB, 2 players)UTG bets, Hero raises, UTG calls.River: (10.75BB, 2 players)UTG checks, Hero bets, UTG raises, Hero folds.Uncalled bets: 1BB returned to UTG.Results:Final pot: 12.75BB

[SCS 0]

I play preflop and flop the same.I call the turn and check behind on the river. I don't think a bet here has much value. If you had just called on the turn I think villian would bet the river, but since you raised the turn villian can check the river knowing that you may bet and he can get a checkraise in.

[Moneyball16 0]

Id play it the same. I think we have enough equity to raise the turn and when he just calls seems like an easy value bet on the river.

[CoranMoran 0]

I don't get it.Why are we raising this turn?What does it gain us?Yes, the 2nd King on the turn decreases the chances that Villain has Top Pair.So there is a very strong chance we are still ahead.But I still don't think a raise is wise.Because if Villain has a lesser hand (2nd pair, bluff), all we likely do is get him to fold.Do we really believe he will call down 2 more big bets with less than Top Pair after we have shown such continued strength?So if our turn raise is getting all worse hands to fold, where is the value?Point: Be careful in situations in which a bet/raise will only fold worse hands and only be called by better ones.I think this is one of those times.--CM

[Moneyball16 0]

I don't get it.Why are we raising this turn?What does it gain us?Yes, the 2nd King on the turn decreases the chances that Villain has Top Pair.So there is a very strong chance we are still ahead.But I still don't think a raise is wise.Because if Villain has a lesser hand (2nd pair, bluff), all we likely do is get him to fold.Do we really believe he will call down 2 more big bets with less than Top Pair after we have shown such continued strength?So if our turn raise is getting all worse hands to fold, where is the value?Point: Be careful in situations in which a bet/raise will only fold worse hands and only be called by better ones.I think this is one of those times.--CM

People dont fold anything in LHE. Id expect to get paid off by a 9 almost everytime and alot of other worse hands.

[mikeysong 0]

People dont fold anything in LHE. Id expect to get paid off by a 9 almost everytime and alot of other worse hands.

[CoranMoran 0]

People dont fold anything in LHE.

That's a bold broad statement.Surely it has its limits.This is 10/20, not 1/2.--cm

[Zach6668 513]

That's a bold broad statement.Surely it has its limits.This is 10/20, not 1/2.--cm

FYI, the higher the limits, the more showdown oriented it tends to be, since everyone always thinks everyone else is making a move, etc, even moreso as it gets more and more shorthanded. At least in my observations and what I hear from those who have played significantly higher than me.

[mikeysong 0]

i'm aggressive enough to pull this move off w/trip kings and get paid off by a pair

[antistuff 0]

thats a really weird move by villain. why wouldn't he go to three on the turn with a king? i guess im asking if his play makes sense. what could he have and what might he be thinking?

[Zach6668 513]

thats a really weird move by villain. why wouldn't he go to three on the turn with a king? i guess im asking if his play makes sense. what could he have and what might he be thinking?

I know, it's weird, I almost want to spew just to see.Thing is, if he's a thinking opponent, he's got to assume Mikey is going to fire the river. From what I know about his posts in these forums, he never misses a v-bet, no matter how thin it may be. If the villain picked up on it, I like his line. If I were playing against Mike, and he didn't know anything about me, I'd probably play a king the same (if I was smart enough to think of it at the time, which I'm not).

[mikeysong 0]

i don't like his play w/a K at all unless he's going to assume I'll fire UI if I had an fdotherwise he should've just charged me the max on the turn.for really complicated reasons, he'd have to a have a sick reason to play his hand this way.