Posting Blinds

[poguemahone68 0]

You probably have to deal with this newb question on a daily basis, but humor me, I searched and couldn't find anything here on this.When is it best to post when you sit at a table? Do posting rules vary by casino, online or live enough to warrant a different approach?I suppose the choices would be:1. Wait for the big blind and post then2. Post immediately regardless of your position3. Wait for the blinds and button to pass and then post

[GaYeled 0]

wait for BB

[Zach6668 513]

At SH games, I wait for the BB. At full games, I'll post in the CO, otherwise I wait. If it's live LHE or something, I'll just post in the later positions because I'd rather not wait 25 mins, lol. Never in MP or EP though.

[Royal_Tour 0]

this is pretty newbish u nubzor . ;)Personally I like to post anywhere from MP2 to Button, I look a bit more Loose i guess. The guys who wait like 4 or more hands to post are automatically tagged as TAG or tight passive in my mind. If you are MP1 or UTG+1 or UTG, i'd wait for BB

[Snamuh 0]

I personally wait for the BB but there is definitely a case for posting immediately to help your image.

[psujohn 0]

At the Trop in AC you don't have to post in NL games. Just play there and avoid the question.

[antistuff 0]

its pretty much negligible and doesn't matter. posting in the co is slightly better.

[aucu 3]

I'll always post in late possition, if in MP I invent a reason to step away from the table and get a drink or something, UTG if it's the first hand I like to stradle trying to hide the fact that I'm a rock.

[mrdannyg 274]

yeah, live games i'll generally make an excuse in EP, post anywhere late and straddle UTG. in a 10-handed game, a CO straddle is probably +ev, as math-wise its about the same, with position changing it. anywhere from MP2 or later its nearly negligible -ev, depending on the value of position.

[poguemahone68 0]

I should have added a few things in my OP, such as SH vs full ring, but let's just say we're talking about full ring. I've thought for a long time that always waiting for the CO to post was optimal. From what you guys are saying it sounds like it really doesn't matter as long as it's not from UTG or UTG+1. I also have posted from EP on occassion for image purposes, but online it doesn't seem to matter much.I just wanted to ask the question to see if there was some +/-EV in when you posted blind.

[No_Neck 0]

it really doesn't matter as long as it's not from UTG or UTG+1. I also have posted from EP on occassion for image purposes, but online it doesn't seem to matter much.

that is pretty much what i do, I think limit and no limit there might be a difference as well. Limit you have much smaller margins so it might make more of a difference than NL.

[mtdesmoines 2]

its pretty much negligible and doesn't matter. posting in the co is slightly better.

[Actuary 3]

I'd say if I missed more than 4 hands waiting to post, I'd be losing money.easilyI'm that good.

[Dogpatch 2]

When I first started playing SH LHE, I read somewhere to post in any postion and always raise. Sometimes it worked, sometimes it didin't, but I must've come off as a helluva maniac. (or a helluva donk)

[David_Nicoson 1]

All the responses have been good so far.I'd also like to say that the value of position varies with the game. In a deep-stacked game, I post. In a shallow game, I wait for the BB.I'd tend to post more immediately often in Omaha than in hold'em. I'd tend to wait in a limit game, mostly because I suck, so the fewer hands I play the better.

[rog 0]

When the sum of the EV of all positions from your post seat to UTG are greater than 1 BB, you should post. I suspect it's somewhere in MP for full ring, or MP3/CO in 6-max, but it depends on the player. So, let's say your average EV is:UTG: .10UTG+1: .15MP1: .20MP2: .30MP3: .45You should post from MP3 or later because the EV you gain in playing the partial orbit is greater than the BB you post.If you suck, you should wait for the BB. I personally post from MP2 or later, and I raise ATC if the pot is unraised, especially in limit. It's -EV, buit I think it has metagame value.

[Dogpatch 2]

When the sum of the EV of all positions from your post seat to UTG are greater than 1 BB, you should post. I suspect it's somewhere in MP for full ring, or MP3/CO in 6-max, but it depends on the player. So, let's say your average EV is:UTG: .10UTG+1: .15MP1: .20MP2: .30MP3: .45You should post from MP3 or later because the EV you gain in playing the partial orbit is greater than the BB you post.If you suck, you should wait for the BB. I personally post from MP2 or later, and I raise ATC if the pot is unraised, especially in limit. It's -EV, buit I think it has metagame value.

That's what I would always do.

[Zach6668 513]

If you post, and it's folded to you, it's definitely not -EV to raise ATC there. Well, it might be, but it's better than checking.

[Dogpatch 2]

If you post, and it's folded to you, it's definitely not -EV to raise ATC there. Well, it might be, but it's better than checking.

Right, if it's folded to me, I feel great about an ATC raise. A limper or two makes it less appealing, but I do it anyway.

[Zach6668 513]

Right, if it's folded to me, I feel great about an ATC raise. A limper or two makes it less appealing, but I do it anyway.

Meh, I definitely don't do it with ATC in that scenario. Definitely a wider range than normal, but definitely not like J4o, etc.

[Ice_W0lf 0]

At SH games, I wait for the BB. At full games, I'll post in the CO, otherwise I wait. If it's live LHE or something, I'll just post in the later positions because I'd rather not wait 25 mins, lol. Never in MP or EP though.

I'm surprised to read you said you wait, since it cost you some mobneys during one of those stars promotions :-Pswgenerally, I'll wait to post until I have all of my tables open then see where i'm at compared to the bb from their.. if i ep or mp i'll wait.. lp i'll postlive.. i can just sit down and play..no posting necessary, so its not a problem

[antistuff 0]

live.. i can just sit down and play..no posting necessary, so its not a problem

the first time i played in a game that is structured like that i got all excited thinking i somehow got one over on everybody. about an hour after that when i realized what happened i had a good laugh with myself.

[Dogpatch 2]

Meh, I definitely don't do it with ATC in that scenario. Definitely a wider range than normal, but definitely not like J4o, etc.

That's funny that you said J4o. I was in a live rebuy tourney and one BB I checked it with J4o. I hit the flop hard and won a nice pot. After that I played J4 like it was AA for the rebuy period and showed it every time. I was getting action on every hand after that. Luckily the maniacal play paid off... anyway funny/not so funny J4o story.

[Frez 0]

When the sum of the EV of all positions from your post seat to UTG are greater than 1 BB, you should post. I suspect it's somewhere in MP for full ring, or MP3/CO in 6-max, but it depends on the player. So, let's say your average EV is:UTG: .10UTG+1: .15MP1: .20MP2: .30MP3: .45You should post from MP3 or later because the EV you gain in playing the partial orbit is greater than the BB you post.

When I first read this yesterday I thought is was genius. One of those things that is so obvious it's a wonder I never thought of it.Then driving home it occured to me it's totally erroneous. Those EVs are your results voluntarily playing hands in those positions. Being +0.20 BB playing from MP1 with a good starting hand selection does not equate to being +0.20BB with ATC when posting.That being said, at any small or medium limit I'll post CO or HJ so I don't have to wait.

[Zach6668 513]

When I first read this yesterday I thought is was genius. One of those things that is so obvious it's a wonder I never thought of it.Then driving home it occured to me it's totally erroneous. Those EVs are your results voluntarily playing hands in those positions. Being +0.20 BB playing from MP1 with a good starting hand selection does not equate to being +0.20BB with ATC when posting.That being said, at any small or medium limit I'll post CO or HJ so I don't have to wait.

No...That's your average profit per hand dealt in those positions.It's in Pokertracker. It doesn't take into account how many you folded, it's total profit from that position, divided by total hands dealt in that position.Actually, it should be 1 BB - EV for that position, then if the EV of the hands in the positions we see for that cost, add up to more than 1 - EV(Posting Position), then we should post.I was gonna show you an example with my stats, but I don't have a big enough sample for it to mean anything, and I also only have 6 max. By looking at these stats, I should never post in 6 max, lmao.