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[poguemahone68]

You probably have to deal with this newb question on a daily basis, but humor me, I searched and couldn't find anything here on this.

When is it best to post when you sit at a table? Do posting rules vary by casino, online or live enough to warrant a different approach?

I suppose the choices would be:

1. Wait for the big blind and post then
2. Post immediately regardless of your position
3. Wait for the blinds and button to pass and then post

[GaYeled]

wait for BB

[Zach6668]

At SH games, I wait for the BB. At full games, I'll post in the CO, otherwise I wait. If it's live LHE or something, I'll just post in the later positions because I'd rather not wait 25 mins, lol. Never in MP or EP though.

[Royal_Tour]

this is pretty newbish u nubzor .

Personally I like to post anywhere from MP2 to Button, I look a bit more Loose i guess. The guys who wait like 4 or more hands to post are automatically tagged as TAG or tight passive in my mind.

If you are MP1 or UTG+1 or UTG, i'd wait for BB

[Snamuh]

I personally wait for the BB but there is definitely a case for posting immediately to help your image.

[psujohn]

At the Trop in AC you don't have to post in NL games. Just play there and avoid the question.

[antistuff]

its pretty much negligible and doesn't matter. posting in the co is slightly better.

[aucu]

I'll always post in late possition, if in MP I invent a reason to step away from the table and get a drink or something, UTG if it's the first hand I like to stradle trying to hide the fact that I'm a rock.

[mrdannyg]

yeah, live games i'll generally make an excuse in EP, post anywhere late and straddle UTG. in a 10-handed game, a CO straddle is probably +ev, as math-wise its about the same, with position changing it. anywhere from MP2 or later its nearly negligible -ev, depending on the value of position.

[poguemahone68]

I should have added a few things in my OP, such as SH vs full ring, but let's just say we're talking about full ring.

I've thought for a long time that always waiting for the CO to post was optimal. From what you guys are saying it sounds like it really doesn't matter as long as it's not from UTG or UTG+1. I also have posted from EP on occassion for image purposes, but online it doesn't seem to matter much.

I just wanted to ask the question to see if there was some +/-EV in when you posted blind.

[No_Neck]

it really doesn't matter as long as it's not from UTG or UTG+1. I also have posted from EP on occassion for image purposes, but online it doesn't seem to matter much.

that is pretty much what i do, I think limit and no limit there might be a difference as well. Limit you have much smaller margins so it might make more of a difference than NL.

[mtdesmoines]

its pretty much negligible and doesn't matter. posting in the co is slightly better.

[Actuary]

I'd say if I missed more than 4 hands waiting to post, I'd be losing money.
easily

I'm that good.

[Dogpatch]

When I first started playing SH LHE, I read somewhere to post in any postion and always raise. Sometimes it worked, sometimes it didin't, but I must've come off as a helluva maniac. (or a helluva donk)

[David_Nicoson]

All the responses have been good so far.

I'd also like to say that the value of position varies with the game. In a deep-stacked game, I post. In a shallow game, I wait for the BB.

I'd tend to post more immediately often in Omaha than in hold'em. I'd tend to wait in a limit game, mostly because I suck, so the fewer hands I play the better.

[rog]

When the sum of the EV of all positions from your post seat to UTG are greater than 1 BB, you should post. I suspect it's somewhere in MP for full ring, or MP3/CO in 6-max, but it depends on the player. So, let's say your average EV is:

UTG: .10
UTG+1: .15
MP1: .20
MP2: .30
MP3: .45


You should post from MP3 or later because the EV you gain in playing the partial orbit is greater than the BB you post.

If you suck, you should wait for the BB.

I personally post from MP2 or later, and I raise ATC if the pot is unraised, especially in limit. It's -EV, buit I think it has metagame value.

[Dogpatch]

When the sum of the EV of all positions from your post seat to UTG are greater than 1 BB, you should post. I suspect it's somewhere in MP for full ring, or MP3/CO in 6-max, but it depends on the player. So, let's say your average EV is:

UTG: .10
UTG+1: .15
MP1: .20
MP2: .30
MP3: .45


You should post from MP3 or later because the EV you gain in playing the partial orbit is greater than the BB you post.

If you suck, you should wait for the BB.

I personally post from MP2 or later, and I raise ATC if the pot is unraised, especially in limit. It's -EV, buit I think it has metagame value.

That's what I would always do.

[Zach6668]

If you post, and it's folded to you, it's definitely not -EV to raise ATC there. Well, it might be, but it's better than checking.

[Dogpatch]

If you post, and it's folded to you, it's definitely not -EV to raise ATC there. Well, it might be, but it's better than checking.

Right, if it's folded to me, I feel great about an ATC raise. A limper or two makes it less appealing, but I do it anyway.

[Zach6668]

Right, if it's folded to me, I feel great about an ATC raise. A limper or two makes it less appealing, but I do it anyway.

Meh, I definitely don't do it with ATC in that scenario. Definitely a wider range than normal, but definitely not like J4o, etc.