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[Yahkin]

113 left 198 got paid. No real money till the top 13.
I push all day here with a suited connector, but I'm not sure with A8o. Is is better to just complete here and see what the flop brings? Stop and go?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t800 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

UTG (t34063)
UTG+1 (t20576)
MP1 (t31504)
MP2 (t9900)
MP3 (t68637)
CO (t11916)
Button (t12432)
Hero (t10742)
BB (t12527)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A, 8.
7 folds, [color=#CC3333]Hero ???

[gobears]

I like a limp here being OOP and for deception value. If BB raises then you can think about reraising back. If he just checks, then you can proceed cautiously unless an ace flops of course.

[Kestral123]

I like a limp here being OOP and for deception value. If BB raises then you can think about reraising back. If he just checks, then you can proceed cautiously unless an ace flops of course.

In most cases I don't like this line. A8 is way ahead of a random hand, and you are going to be called only be hands that are way way better than random because a loss cripples him. I'm shoving A8 here most of the time, as well as many other hands, because that's a quick and relatively low risk 10% bump to my stack.

The exception is against a very very aggressive player that I believe is highly likely to raise me with a wide range of hands (close to ATC) if I limp (some players just won't allow limping into their bb). Against that type of player, I may limp to induce a raise, and then call or shove when he does so.

EDIT: The latter play I like much better when you have fold equity, which you really won't here once he raises.

[gobears]

In most cases I don't like this line. A8 is way ahead of a random hand, and you are going to be called only be hands that are way way better than random because a loss cripples him. I'm shoving A8 here most of the time, as well as many other hands, because that's a quick and relatively low risk 10% bump to my stack.

The exception is against a very very aggressive player that I believe is highly likely to raise me with a wide range of hands (close to ATC) if I limp (some players just won't allow limping into their bb). Against that type of player, I may limp to induce a raise, and then call or shove when he does so.

EDIT: The latter play I like much better when you have fold equity, which you really won't here once he raises.

I'd rather raise with almost almost any two cards other than Ace-rag out of the SB. The reason being that the reverse implied odds are terrible as some type of ace automatically goes into the BB range if they call so you get no action if an ace flops (unless they have a better hand) and they will be more apt to play back against you if an ace doesn't fall and you're then sitting OOP with A-high in a bigger size pot. This applies to situations where our stack is fairly healthy vs the blinds.

With 13 BBs and an M of 7 (w antes), this would be within my shoving range also - I didn't realize that the blinds were so high relative to the stack sizes.

[GrinderMJ]

The only time I'm limping here is if BB has been shoving limpers, as I intend to turbo call a shove. I generally just raise/shove here.

[tskillz187]

The only time I'm limping here is if BB has been shoving limpers, as I intend to turbo call a shove. I generally just raise/shove here.

QFT. I don't even like limp/calling the shove that much as a8o isn't crushing anything and there is the chance that he'll check behind, I really don't like limping for deception because our hand just isn't that strong. I think I push this every single time, like 100% never think of a different play.

[cubsfan44]

Call me crazy but I think I like a standard raise here, making it look like u want action. However if he decides to shove youve got a tough decision. But with the blinds at 400/800 I think you can raise it here to $2000 and then fold still. The play kinda depends on what youve been doing to his blind previous to this. To me a shove here just screams small Ace please dont call me.

[Kestral123]

Call me crazy but I think I like a standard raise here, making it look like u want action. However if he decides to shove youve got a tough decision. But with the blinds at 400/800 I think you can raise it here to $2000 and then fold still. The play kinda depends on what youve been doing to his blind previous to this. To me a shove here just screams small Ace please dont call me.

You cannot raise here if you are not committed to this pot. That's part of the reason you shove this, so you don't have to make that decision.

[Yahkin]

Results:

I shove, BB goes into the tank and uses up most of his time bank and then calls with AQo. (not sure why it took so long to make that decision...lol).
I brick...gg me.

I still think it's the right play...just didn't expect BB to wake up with a hand.