all in or fold?

[pokargrl 0]

My table image was that of a fish (long story). I had planned on check raising all in. But such a big raise made me think he was protecting a set from the flush draw, and I was 3:1 against a set. All in or fold?***** Hand History for Game 1906007645 *****$50 NL Hold'em - Saturday, April 16, 22:16:31 EDT 2005Table Table 36962 (Real Money)Seat 7 is the buttonTotal number of players : 9 Seat 1: eightsinhole ( $29.7 )Seat 2: bornguitar ( $30.95 )Seat 3: hanmi1 ( $145.75 )Seat 5: remotespace ( $53.05 )Seat 6: nata_ura ( $56.57 )Seat 7: frankslade ( $57.27 )Seat 8: UnRealNess ( $7.47 )Seat 9: divemojo ( $27.47 )Seat 10: mbburch ( $51.25 )UnRealNess posts small blind [$0.25].divemojo posts big blind [$0.5].** Dealing down cards **Dealt to mbburch [ Ah Qh ]divemojo: nhmbburch raises [$2].eightsinhole folds.bornguitar folds.hanmi1 calls [$2].remotespace folds.nata_ura calls [$2].frankslade calls [$2].UnRealNess folds.divemojo folds.>You have options at Table 37195 Table!.** Dealing Flop ** [ 8h, 9c, 4h ]mbburch checks.hanmi1 bets [$3].erik2333 has joined the table.>You have options at Table 36907 Table!.nata_ura raises [$15].frankslade folds.mbburch folds.>You have options at Table 36907 Table!.hanmi1 folds.>You have options at Table 37195 Table!.nata_ura does not show cards.nata_ura wins $26.05

[Vade 0]

First of all, don't check raise with a drawing hand, EVERYou're technically behind bottom pairAlso, you're the preflop raiser, this dictates you should bet out, unless you flop an absolute monsterFinally, that bet doesnt indicate a set at all, it's probably A9 or maybe 1010Bet that flop

[pokargrl 0]

I was playing kinda scared because I had been making stupid aggressive plays all night. If I'm going all in on a draw, I usually like to check raise it, because then I represent even more strength. Is this flawed logic in that it induces a call somehow?Please elaborate.

[Vade 0]

You've got 50 dollars in front of you after your raise, you don't want to go all in until you make your flushBetting the pot or 2/3 of the pot is good with this flop, you still have like 40 dollars to work with

[brando 0]

Bet the flop.....I believe you have to fold, if you table is fishy you can find a better spot. Smells like an over pair to me

[Swift_Psycho 1]

First of all, don't check raise with a drawing hand, EVER This is bad advice. Check/raising with a powerful drawing hand like this one is certainly a good play at times. A check/raise also makes you appear to have a very strong "made" hand, and others will respect you for it. Then, even if they call you, you still have a good number of outs.With that said, I prefer betting out on the this flop, especially because you were already the aggressor pre-flop.Sidenote: Semi-bluffs are overrated at low limit NL hold'em like this. I wouldn't get too caught up in doing them at this level.

[Swift_Psycho 1]

Bet the flop.....I believe you have to fold, if you table is fishy you can find a better spot. Smells like an over pair to me

Actually, unless his opponent had aces (which would be a horrible pre-flop play by that guy), the OP should be fully ready (and happy) to dance with an overpair, even kings. The OP is even a favorite against tens or jacks.

[Vade 0]

First of all, don't check raise with a drawing hand, EVER This is bad advice.  Check/raising with a powerful drawing hand like this one is certainly a good play at times.  A check/raise also makes you appear to have a very strong "made" hand, and others will respect you for it.  Then, even if they call you, you still have a good number of outs.With that said, I prefer betting out on the this flop, especially because you were already the aggressor pre-flop.

Huh, then when this happens and you're facing a bet and a raise in front of you and you've lost control of the hand then what? All in? That's a great way to potentially lose a LOT of money if your opponent actually has the strong made hand that you just representedYou overestimate your opponents if you think they are going to respect you for "a hand"Further problem is that OP felt that table image was that of a fish, which means that the raises arent' being respected

[Swift_Psycho 1]

First of all, don't check raise with a drawing hand, EVER This is bad advice.  Check/raising with a powerful drawing hand like this one is certainly a good play at times.  A check/raise also makes you appear to have a very strong "made" hand, and others will respect you for it.  Then, even if they call you, you still have a good number of outs.With that said, I prefer betting out on the this flop, especially because you were already the aggressor pre-flop.

Huh, then when this happens and you're facing a bet and a raise in front of you and you've lost control of the hand then what? All in? That's a great way to potentially lose a LOT of money if your opponent actually has the strong made hand that you just representedYou overestimate your opponents if you think they are going to respect you for "a hand"Further problem is that OP felt that table image was that of a fish, which means that the raises arent' being respected

I'm not criticizing this specific play, read the rest of my post. I prefer betting out in that situation.I was critcizing your comment. You said, "don't check raise with a drawing hand, EVER." That, my friend, is bad advice. There are very few absolutes in poker and this is certainly not one of them.

[Vade 0]

Fine...correct it to you should only check raise with a draw less then 1 % of the hand when you have the table image and chip stack that can only come from dominating the table and other rare situations :PBetter?I didn't mean to phrase it as an absolute, just as an overwhelming majority

[Swift_Psycho 1]

Fine...correct it to you should only check raise with a draw less then 1 % of the hand when you have the table image and chip stack that can only come from dominating the table and other rare situations :PBetter?I didn't mean to phrase it as an absolute, just as an overwhelming majority

I still disagree. Check/raising with a powerful drawing hand like this is often a great play to use against people, especially if you carry a tight image at the table like I usually do. If you have a loose image, then I agree it is not a good play to make.

[Vade 0]

Ok then, I agree to...um...*poke*?

[Swift_Psycho 1]

Ok then, I agree to...um...*poke*?

What?

[Vade 0]

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[Swift_Psycho 1]

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Hehehehe. Good stuff. It wasn't an argument anyway, at least not for me. I just think that you are underestimating the usefulness of a check/raise semi-bluff. It comes in especially handy with a tight image, as stated before. I like using it in tourneys more than cash games though.

[dakielbasa 0]

Easy Fold. However, should have bet the flop, thats where the mistake was. If you are going to semi bluff especially this hand you don't want to check raise. The flop is dangerous enough. You want to represent a pair of QQ scared of a flush draw in this situation and make your opponents think about it. If your a tight player than you should have raised more PF followed by a bigger raise on the flop since you had no position. Remember, bet to gain information and to fool opponents