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#1 NoBBiR

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Posted 09 May 2007 - 01:58 PM

No read to speak of really. UTG is a little LAG, but UTG+1 has not done anything out of line or strange to speak of.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

CO ($15)
Button ($5.60)
SB ($13.15)
BB ($15.35)
UTG ($3.25)
UTG+1 ($7.40)
MP1 ($19.95)
MP2 ($10.20)
Hero ($7.75)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with J, A.
UTG calls $0.10, UTG+1 calls $0.10, 2 folds, Hero raises to $0.3, 3 folds, BB calls $0.20, UTG calls $0.20, UTG+1 calls $0.20.

Flop: ($1.25) J, 5, 4 (4 players)
BB checks, UTG bets $0.25, UTG+1 calls $0.25, Hero raises to $2, BB folds, UTG raises to $2.95, UTG+1 calls $2.70, Hero calls $0.95.

Turn: ($10.10) 8 (3 players)
UTG+1 checks,

Hero = ??. It feels with his lack of aggression that he has a flush draw, and possibly a pair. If I go all-in, he'll be getting 3:1+ which would be mathematically wrong for the flush draw, but if he has a pair too he'll almost certainly call because the pot is too big. I feel kind of like the rest of the pot is lost to a set or two pair, but do I shove here to make him pay for his flush knowing he almost certainly will call, or do I just try to get out of this hand cheaply and check? It may look like an easy decision but it has my head spinning a bit.
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Posted 09 May 2007 - 02:03 PM

With your stack I get it allin here.

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Posted 09 May 2007 - 02:05 PM

Raise bigger PF.
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#4 Acid_Knight

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Posted 09 May 2007 - 02:20 PM

You should be reraising all in on that flop.

Also, 3BBs is a good standard preflop raise for a tourney. In a cash game, sometimes the way the game is playing means that you need to raise 5BBs when you open the pot. Also, it is important to adjust your preflop raising based on the number of players already in the pot. In this case, 3BBs + 1BB for each limper is not a bad rule of thumb. That means you should raise to at least $0.50 preflop.

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Posted 09 May 2007 - 02:30 PM

I should raise 10 bucks after a .25 cent bet? UTG's all-in bet closed action because it was less than my raise. I couldn't have reraised or I would have smile.gif. But on the turn it's kind of a clash of opinions.
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#6 Acid_Knight

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Posted 09 May 2007 - 03:38 PM

QUOTE (NoBBiR @ Wednesday, May 9th, 2007, 3:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I should raise 10 bucks after a .25 cent bet? UTG's all-in bet closed action because it was less than my raise. I couldn't have reraised or I would have smile.gif. But on the turn it's kind of a clash of opinions.

You're right, you couldn't reopen betting. I like the bet on the flop. On the turn, your stack is small so just push it in there. You're not folding anyway and neither is he. If he's drawing, he'll pay for it now but not after he misses on the river.

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Posted 09 May 2007 - 06:49 PM

QUOTE (SCS @ Wednesday, May 9th, 2007, 6:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
With your stack I get it allin here.

Snamuh raises to $76.75, and is all in
BigKamp: yyou lose
BigKamp has 15 seconds left to act
BigKamp calls $24.50, and is all in
Seat 1: BigKamp (small blind) mucked [Ad Ac] - a full house, Aces full of Kings
Seat 2: Snamuh (big blind) showed [Kd Kh] and won ($102.50) with four of a kind, Kings
Snamuh: you lose

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Posted 10 May 2007 - 07:30 AM

QUOTE (NoBBiR @ Wednesday, May 9th, 2007, 2:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
No read to speak of really. UTG is a little LAG, but UTG+1 has not done anything out of line or strange to speak of.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

CO ($15)
Button ($5.60)
SB ($13.15)
BB ($15.35)
UTG ($3.25)
UTG+1 ($7.40)
MP1 ($19.95)
MP2 ($10.20)
Hero ($7.75)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with J, A.
UTG calls $0.10, UTG+1 calls $0.10, 2 folds, Hero raises to $0.3, 3 folds, BB calls $0.20, UTG calls $0.20, UTG+1 calls $0.20.

Flop: ($1.25) J, 5, 4 (4 players)
BB checks, UTG bets $0.25, UTG+1 calls $0.25, Hero raises to $2, BB folds, UTG raises to $2.95, UTG+1 calls $2.70, Hero calls $0.95.

Turn: ($10.10) 8 (3 players)
UTG+1 checks,

Hero = ??. It feels with his lack of aggression that he has a flush draw, and possibly a pair. If I go all-in, he'll be getting 3:1+ which would be mathematically wrong for the flush draw, but if he has a pair too he'll almost certainly call because the pot is too big. I feel kind of like the rest of the pot is lost to a set or two pair, but do I shove here to make him pay for his flush knowing he almost certainly will call, or do I just try to get out of this hand cheaply and check? It may look like an easy decision but it has my head spinning a bit.


As an aside, I would have raised a little more preflop. After two limpers, only raising 3x the BB makes it two juicy for them to fold any hand they limped with, therefore making it harder to define their hands.

Anyways, I would move it in here. You have to protect your hand against his most likely hand, a draw.
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#9 docnuclear

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Posted 11 May 2007 - 01:09 AM

I agree with everyone, more PF, shove on turn exactly ofr the reason Acid mentioned, he's calling with one card to come but not if he misses on the river, here you're ahead most of the time




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