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[No_Neck]

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
9 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $23.85
UTG+1: $37.30
MP1: $49.35
MP2: $51.35
Hero: $49.25
CO: $51.05
Button: $49.25
SB: $55.50
BB: $32.75

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is MP3 with J J
2 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 folds, Hero raises to $2.25, 4 folds, MP1 calls.

Flop: 6 4 7 ($5.25, 2 players)
MP1 bets $2.25, Hero raises to $12, MP1 calls.

Turn: K ($29.25, 2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero??????

39/14/1.3/75

Villian is a pretty laggy, 37/12/1/275

[mtdesmoines]

I dunno. I think I send another $15 into the pot and see what happens.

[Acid_Knight]

Is he good laggy or bad laggy? Will he call you with a pair of 7s or an OESD? I think you push the turn in most cases here. You have like $35 behind. The K can't really have helped him, or at least if it did, you can't really be afraid of it.

I vote for pushing and ending the hand right now because any bet that you make is gonna kind of commit you to the pot since you should be betting ~$15 to $20 at least, and that will leave you with nothing behind.

[No_Neck]

Is he good laggy or bad laggy? Will he call you with a pair of 7s or an OESD? I think you push the turn in most cases here. You have like $35 behind. The K can't really have helped him, or at least if it did, you can't really be afraid of it.

I vote for pushing and ending the hand right now because any bet that you make is gonna kind of commit you to the pot since you should be betting ~$15 to $20 at least, and that will leave you with nothing behind.

he was a pretty good lag, he will probably call with a pretty wide range of hands, definitely not just overs though. probably a pair and a draw.... and he would probably push a big draw out of position.,

[Acid_Knight]

he was a pretty good lag, he will probably call with a pretty wide range of hands, definitely not just overs though. probably a pair and a draw.... and he would probably push a big draw out of position.,

Then I definitely advocate a push. If he's gonna call you with a pair+OESD then you're happy. The K is not a bad card for you since it probably isn't in his range based on the action so far. I think checking or betting half of the pot just seem silly based on your stack size and the size of the pot.

[Snamuh]

I hate JJ with a passion. Seems everytime I pick up JJ, I get shoved on or face some difficult decision. That said, I'm not so sure I raise so much on the flop. As played, you are in a tough spot but I'd shove.

[Pot Odds RAC]

I don't see this as a "draw heavy" board.

The over card on the Turn may have hurt us, but the Bad Guy doesn't seem to be trapping with top pair.

Push.

[jjgoldy5]

My first reaction is to check the turn and call on the river... inducing bluffs from hands that you beat... as played I don't think anything that you beat is calling a shove on the turn. Everyone seems to disagree with this line though, so take it for what its worth.

[Acid_Knight]

My first reaction is to check the turn and call on the river... inducing bluffs from hands that you beat... as played I don't think anything that you beat is calling a shove on the turn. Everyone seems to disagree with this line though, so take it for what its worth.

What if the river completes the straight and he leads out? Surely we can't call and we won't know if we've been outplayed. What if the river is an A, and we let him get there for free with A7? The K on the turn is a good card for us because it doesn't seem to fit with any of his likely holdings.

Some players are bad. They may call you down with A7 or the naked OESD or even a pair and an OESD here. You will get called by hands that you're beating and you'll charge the ones that are drawing to beat you the biggest price that you can as well as taking away any river decisions since pretty much the only good card we can see on the river is a J. Any other card will complete another straight draw, adding 2 pair possibilities or put another overcard to our pair out there.

He's checking so I'd feel better that we're ahead now. I think this is a situation where you gotta suck it up and push it in. (not a sexual reference believe it or not)

[Snamuh]

What if the river completes the straight and he leads out? Surely we can't call and we won't know if we've been outplayed. What if the river is an A, and we let him get there for free with A7? The K on the turn is a good card for us because it doesn't seem to fit with any of his likely holdings.

Some players are bad. They may call you down with A7 or the naked OESD or even a pair and an OESD here. You will get called by hands that you're beating and you'll charge the ones that are drawing to beat you the biggest price that you can as well as taking away any river decisions since pretty much the only good card we can see on the river is a J. Any other card will complete another straight draw, adding 2 pair possibilities or put another overcard to our pair out there.

He's checking so I'd feel better that we're ahead now. I think this is a situation where you gotta suck it up and push it in. (not a sexual reference believe it or not)

As always, I think this is spot on.

[docnuclear]

I agree with everyone saying shove but I think an argument can be made for 20 knowing that we are pot commited and calling on any river, because there is the chance that a few non competent villains won't call the all in but mght call 20, but I might be wrong and this play is too tin/weird to be profitable. But I know I've made it at these stakes