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[cwik]

villain is 52%/13%/4.00/29, so not a lot to go on.

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $1/$2
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $200
UTG+1: $132
CO: $219.70
Hero: $227.70
SB: $205.70
BB: $225.80

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is Button with K K
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, CO folds, Hero raises to $9, SB calls, BB folds, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: J 7 2 ($29, 3 players)
SB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $22, SB calls, UTG+1 folds.

Turn: 3 ($73, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

River: 7 ($73, 2 players)
SB is all-in $174.7, Hero ???

[mtdesmoines]

Hero ???

More often than not, this is a fold. Reads?

[Zach6668]

Would anyone prefer a ~$40 turn bet, and a check behind on the river?

[Footballguru]

i call the river, but im a donk :/

[NocturnalRob]

I agree. Checking the turn gives you no idea of where you are. Little more than half the pot on the turn--$45 or so, and then gauge from there. He's been check calling the whole way and then suddenly pushes on the river? Personally, I don't buy it--SB reads your turn check as weakness and pushes. Without any input from a turn bet, I call this river push most of the time. Then again, I tend to overvalue my overpairs anyway.

[mtdesmoines]

I agree. Checking the turn gives you no idea of where you are. Little more than half the pot on the turn--$45 or so, and then gauge from there. He's been check calling the whole way and then suddenly pushes on the river? Personally, I don't buy it--SB reads your turn check as weakness and pushes. Without any input from a turn bet, I call this river push most of the time. Then again, I tend to overvalue my overpairs anyway.

Yeah, I bet the turn, too. I just ended up thinking about the decision at the river.

[Snamuh]

I agree. Checking the turn gives you no idea of where you are. Little more than half the pot on the turn--$45 or so, and then gauge from there. He's been check calling the whole way and then suddenly pushes on the river? Personally, I don't buy it--SB reads your turn check as weakness and pushes. Without any input from a turn bet, I call this river push most of the time. Then again, I tend to overvalue my overpairs anyway.

I agree. Really need to bet over half pot on turn.

[cwik]

humm, I don't mind the turn play at all. Basically, I could bet to protect, but the draw I was worried about all ready hit. I could bet for value, but what hands call $40 here??

I think keeping the pot smaller here is better.

[Zach6668]

I think keeping the pot smaller here is better.

And you did a great job too.

[Snamuh]

And you did a great job too.

Burn!

[CobaltBlue]

Meh. I don't hate the turn check...since we're sitting on the Kd...particularly since it allows us to pick off a river bluff on the river from a seemingly aggressive opponent. Against normal to good players, this is a fold. However, his limited stats so far indicate possibilities of an aggrodonk...so if I've since him retardo a previous hand, I'm making the call.

[Acid_Knight]

Meh. I don't hate the turn check...since we're sitting on the Kd...particularly since it allows us to pick off a river bluff on the river from a seemingly aggressive opponent. Against normal to good players, this is a fold. However, his limited stats so far indicate possibilities of an aggrodonk...so if I've since him retardo a previous hand, I'm making the call.

We don't have the Kd.

I understand the premise of keeping the pot small, but we also give up any kind of control of the hand that we had. I think you gotta fold this river because the only thing we can beat is Jx or a gutshot that missed.

[No_Neck]

We don't have the Kd.

I understand the premise of keeping the pot small, but we also give up any kind of control of the hand that we had. I think you gotta fold this river because the only thing we can beat is Jx or a gutshot that missed.

I think this screams I had a set and I was going for the check raise on the turn, but now the board paired and I am hoping you will pay me off with a flush.

The flush got there and 7x beats you, I think this is a fold.

[docnuclear]

without a read it is pretty expensive so I fold, too many hands beat us

[cwik]

This is a fold for me, infact thats exactly what I did. however instead of insta mucking it, his strange over bet/new found aggression did have me thinking about it longer than I normally would.

he then showed this hand. 9 8 , which made this hand semi interesting. I really didn't know anything about this guy though to make any read oriented play.

[No_Neck]

This is a fold for me, infact thats exactly what I did. however instead of insta mucking it, his strange over bet/new found aggression did have me thinking about it longer than I normally would.

he then showed this hand. 9 8 , which made this hand semi interesting. I really didn't know anything about this guy though to make any read oriented play.

Notes: Villian loves to make suicidal bluffs....

did he keep playing crazy or did he slow down?

[cwik]

Notes: Villian loves to make suicidal bluffs....

did he keep playing crazy or did he slow down?

did note, but the hand was near the end of my session, hockey game came on.

[CobaltBlue]

We don't have the Kd.

Oops. Misread the OP. Yeah...I think we gotta bet the turn now.

[cwik]

Oops. Misread the OP. Yeah...I think we gotta bet the turn now.

interesting, I think I am more likely to bet the turn if I have the k

[Zach6668]

I can't figure out why you're against betting the turn.