ramenandeggs 0 Posted May 3, 2007 Share Posted May 3, 2007 Still pretty new to the game but I'm starting to love it. Recently sat down at table, no reads except BB bets PF every hand and no one's willing to 3-bet him. BB $28.12 Hero $14.50UTG+1 $25.80MP1 $17.10MP2 $36.65MP3 $17.67CO $18.91Button $5.05SB $22.59Hero is UTG with 4c 5h Qd Kd Hero makes easy fold? It still looks pretty to me, not worth a 2sb flop though right? Does this become a call in LP?How much am I supposed to sit down with? I've been feeling comfortable with $15 so far but I could easily be on a good run of cards. Link to post Share on other sites
navybuttons 16 Posted May 3, 2007 Share Posted May 3, 2007 Hero is UTG with 4c 5h Qd Kd Hero makes easy fold?yes.not worth a 2sb flop though right? Does this become a call in LP?right. i might bet it from the button if first in, but aside from a really unique table i'd pitch it.How much am I supposed to sit down with?depends what kind of game you like to play. i can play pretty laggy so i like to have everyone on the table covered if i can. shortstacking can also be profitable, but i think it's dumb.i would never buy into a PL game w/ 30 big blinds, but that's me. also, having a table FULL of shortstacks takes away from the poetry of the game (if there is any in PLO8 ) Link to post Share on other sites
ramenandeggs 0 Posted May 3, 2007 Author Share Posted May 3, 2007 i forgot to mention this was limit O8, if that makes a difference on buying in, is 30 Big Bets enough? I'm always buying in max for PL games. so i also meant i thought the hand wasn't worth two small bets to see a flop.generally, i play more conservative but in omaha even more so. trying to break out of nutpeddling. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted May 3, 2007 Share Posted May 3, 2007 If it's limit, your buyin doesn't matter, as long as you have 12 BBs on the table, so you can max the value of your nut hands, should you be so lucky. Link to post Share on other sites
navybuttons 16 Posted May 3, 2007 Share Posted May 3, 2007 trying to break out of nutpeddling.don't do that.seriously don't. Link to post Share on other sites
Frez 0 Posted May 4, 2007 Share Posted May 4, 2007 Hero is UTG with 4c 5h Qd Kd Hero makes easy fold? It still looks pretty to me, not worth a 2sb flop though right? Does this become a call in LP?That hand is utter crap. I might complete my small blind with it if there are a few limpers in front.Why does it look pretty to you? Maybe discussing it will shed some light. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted May 4, 2007 Share Posted May 4, 2007 That hand is utter crap. I might complete my small blind with it if there are a few limpers in front.Why does it look pretty to you? Maybe discussing it will shed some light.It's pretty when the flop is A23r. Link to post Share on other sites
ramenandeggs 0 Posted May 4, 2007 Author Share Posted May 4, 2007 it looked pretty to me because it seems to have drawing potential with two wheel and suited broadways for value both ways (and a little based on the frustration of hitting top and bottom two pair with A2 for a vulnerable high and no chance at a low) but looks are deceiving and i'm starting to see that it brings high reverse implied odds where i'm mostly drawing to 2nd nut type hands. just like any two cards JT+ will look pretty to HE beginners.anyways, thanks for the pointers guys. Will be trying to post more hands but I really don't like the way Bodog's HH is forcing me to manually convert them. Link to post Share on other sites
Frez 0 Posted May 5, 2007 Share Posted May 5, 2007 It's pretty when the flop is A23r. I also like it on KKQ flops.Ramen you can't be all "glass is half full", "I have two wheel cards so I can make the nut low" here. You've got the 6th best starting low, and a high that may make a straight and lose to a flush. Or make a flush and lose to the nut flush. Or make the nut flush and lose to a full house. And when you win, half the time you're only getting half the pot.I'm not saying you must only play with super duper strong hands, but your low is well below average and your high is mediocre at best. You are way out of position, so muck it. Link to post Share on other sites
Shimmering Wang 1 Posted May 11, 2007 Share Posted May 11, 2007 Yeah, too often you're going to find yourself in situations where you're drawing dead, or to 3 outs, but have no choice to pay off.My basic theory- from a beginner's perspective- is to look for situations where you can just RAM. That might mean having a hand like A44J, and flopping the second nut low draw, the nut flush draw, and turning some kind of weird gutshot or something. Unless you're a very strong post-flop player with pretty good reads on players that won't put you to tough decisions, you want to be able to flop a hand you can potentially go nuts with.Hands like 34KQ can give you vulnerable nut-hi hands, and weird combo hands where you're still drawing slim.Wang Link to post Share on other sites
rvrchsrhtr 0 Posted May 11, 2007 Share Posted May 11, 2007 I agree throw it away preflopProblem with calling these cards preflop...... catching just enough to suck you in to the river! Link to post Share on other sites
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