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Started by NormanHaupt, Apr 15 2005 08:15 PM

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#1 NormanHaupt

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Posted 15 April 2005 - 08:15 PM

And my only other post of the night, another AQ.** Dealing down cards **Dealt to HauptFCP [ Ah Qs ]jobreaux raises [$2].Monico00 folds.crhou folds.HauptFCP raises [$3].Not sure about this, I do it to see if he caps it or 3 bets. If he caps, I figure pocket pair. if he calls, I figure big Ace and I could be against AK.Bosh17 calls [$3].Cold Call bothers me. Bosh is a pretty descent player.dave5511 folds.loser072 folds.loyaldogface folds.at159mph folds.jobreaux calls [$1].Smooth call, good news for me.** Dealing Flop ** [ Ad, Ac, 6d ]jobreaux checks.HauptFCP bets [$1].Bosh17 raises [$2].jobreaux folds.HauptFCP raises [$2].Bosh17 raises [$2].now i'm worried about limped AK.HauptFCP calls [$1].** Dealing Turn ** [ 4h ]HauptFCP bets [$2].Bet out to prevent free card play. Good idea?Bosh17 raises [$4].nope, not a free card.HauptFCP calls [$2].** Dealing River ** [ 9h ]HauptFCP checks.Bosh17 bets [$2].HauptFCP calls [$2].And check call.

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Posted 15 April 2005 - 08:23 PM

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And my only other post of the night, another AQ.** Dealing down cards **Dealt to HauptFCP [  Ah Qs ]jobreaux raises [$2].Monico00 folds.crhou folds.HauptFCP raises [$3].Not sure about this, I do it to see if he caps it or 3 bets. If he caps, I figure pocket pair. if he calls, I figure big Ace and I could be against AK.Sorry, but I don't think AQo is worth a three bet, hell you probably ought to fold AQo to a raiseBosh17 calls [$3].Cold Call bothers me. Bosh is a pretty descent player.dave5511 folds.loser072 folds.loyaldogface folds.at159mph folds.jobreaux calls [$1].Smooth call, good news for me.** Dealing Flop ** [ Ad, Ac, 6d ]jobreaux checks.HauptFCP bets [$1].Bosh17 raises [$2].jobreaux folds.HauptFCP raises [$2].Bosh17 raises [$2].now i'm worried about limped AK.Even more reason to avoid playing AQo in raised potsHauptFCP calls [$1].** Dealing Turn ** [ 4h ]HauptFCP bets [$2].Bet out to prevent free card play. Good idea?Good to bet, but you're not doing it for a free card, you're doing it because you really shouldn't be worried about a limped AK...because AK is gonna raise preflop (presuming a good player like you saidBosh17 raises [$4].nope, not a free card.HauptFCP calls [$2].** Dealing River ** [ 9h ]HauptFCP checks.Bosh17 bets [$2].HauptFCP calls [$2].And check callWhen in doubt, check/call the river is right.

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Posted 15 April 2005 - 08:30 PM

Vade:Bet out to prevent free card play. Good idea? Good to bet, but you're not doing it for a free card, you're doing it because you really shouldn't be worried about a limped AK...because AK is gonna raise preflop (presuming a good player like you said )You think AKo would cap PF? I don't cap with AKo in this situation. I think AKo is a very real possibility, if not the most likely one.
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Posted 15 April 2005 - 08:46 PM

Fold preflop.

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Posted 15 April 2005 - 08:53 PM

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Vade:Bet out to prevent free card play. Good idea?  Good to bet, but you're not doing it for a free card, you're doing it because you really shouldn't be worried about a limped AK...because AK is gonna raise preflop (presuming a good player like you said )You think AKo would cap PF?  I don't cap with AKo in this situation.  I think AKo is a very real possibility, if not the most likely one.
This is true, I wouldn't either...but a lot of people wouldOh and I did say to fold preflop :D
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Posted 15 April 2005 - 08:55 PM

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Fold preflop.

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Posted 15 April 2005 - 09:20 PM

** Dealing down cards **Dealt to HauptFCP [ Ah Qs ]jobreaux raises [$2].Monico00 folds.crhou folds.HauptFCP raises [$3].Not sure about this, I do it to see if he caps it or 3 bets. If he caps, I figure pocket pair. if he calls, I figure big Ace and I could be against AK.I wouldn't try an iso 3bet w/AQo. AQs yes, but not AQo, just flat callBosh17 calls [$3].Cold Call bothers me. Bosh is a pretty descent player.looks like JJ, 1010 to medave5511 folds.loser072 folds.loyaldogface folds.at159mph folds.jobreaux calls [$1].Smooth call, good news for me.** Dealing Flop ** [ Ad, Ac, 6d ]jobreaux checks.HauptFCP bets [$1].Bosh17 raises [$2].jobreaux folds.HauptFCP raises [$2].Bosh17 raises [$2].now i'm worried about limped AK.I wouldn't be, your probably best hereHauptFCP calls [$1].** Dealing Turn ** [ 4h ]HauptFCP bets [$2].Bet out to prevent free card play. Good idea?Bosh17 raises [$4].nope, not a free card.HauptFCP calls [$2].** Dealing River ** [ 9h ]HauptFCP checks.Bosh17 bets [$2].HauptFCP calls [$2].And check callI think this is either gonna be a chop, or your dead to AK. I can't see anyone decent player coldcalling three bets w/AJs
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Posted 15 April 2005 - 11:59 PM

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Fold preflop.
Really?
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Posted 16 April 2005 - 01:34 AM

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Fold preflop.
Really?
Yes.
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Posted 16 April 2005 - 01:53 AM

call preflop

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Posted 16 April 2005 - 01:55 AM

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call preflop
Horrible.
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Posted 16 April 2005 - 05:20 AM

I'm pretty proud of myself to have the discipline to lay down KQs and KJs for just one raise, and proud of myself to three-bet with AA-TT and AKs/o.I'll call one raise with AQo preflop because there's a world of difference between KQ and AQ. AQ is ahead of any AsXs (besides AK of course). So should I really get in the habit of folding AQo for one raise when I'm behind the original raiser?

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Posted 16 April 2005 - 07:36 AM

Fold? really..? man.. I dunno about that..

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Posted 16 April 2005 - 08:04 AM

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Fold? really..? man.. I dunno about that..
You like money right? You want to make money right? Then fold, fold, fold. If it was suited you might be able to call preflop since you're also in position. The raise was atrocious and this may be why you're losing money at 1/2.Preflop: At best you are probably a slight dog to 1010 or JJ or a huge dog to QQ,KK,AA or AK so it's just not worth getting mixed up with. There is almost never a time where you are a favorite and you're too likely to be dominated.Flop: The bet on the flop is fine, however, the raise from Bosh should make you stop raising. You already said you were worried by him cold calling 3 preflop. He then raises you, what do you think he could have that you have beaten if he is the decent player you pegged him as? It's reasonable to check/call this the rest of the way down since you're hand is huge, but you shouldn't raise unless you hit the Q or the board pairs so you're at worst a split to AK.Turn: The bet is horrible. His cap on the flop somehow indicated to you it may have been a free card play?!?!?! How do you come to this conclusion?River: Check/call is good. You need to slow down a long time ago.I know I'm being kind of rough on you Norman, but you seem like you truly do want to improve, so my goal is to help you with playing better, not make you feel warm and fuzzy.Zara

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Posted 16 April 2005 - 09:17 AM

Well I seem to lose a ton of money with AQ/AJ so this could be part of the leak. I'll tighten up what I call raises with.More specifically, I've been trying to deal with free card plays. It drives me nuts, someone caps me on the flop, I properly plan to check/call the turn, and he checks behind me.It could've easily been a flush draw. To me a flush draw made sense since Bosh called all those bets cold (which indicates suited cards), two suits on the flop, and obviously figures he had both of us beat.Which, he did, by the way. He called those preflop bets with pocket 66.

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Posted 16 April 2005 - 06:35 PM

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More specifically, I've been trying to deal with free card plays. It drives me nuts, someone caps me on the flop, I properly plan to check/call the turn, and he checks behind me.
In this case I don't see how he could only have too suited cards. You said your self that you thought he was a decent player. I don't see a decent player calling 3 cold with something like KQs. That's what I'm basing my response with. If you had pegged him as a maniac, then your play makes more sense though still a little too aggressive in my opinion. I still don't like the 3-bet preflop unless the UTG was also a maniac.In general I've found the best way to deal with maniacs is to be more passive. There are few that are pure enough maniacs they will raise and reraise with next to nothing so it's better to let them do the betting and bluff their moeny off to you. This has the double effect of also allowing you to lose less when they do have your good hand beat.As for the free card plays, it's hard to tell. It strongly depends on the the preflop action, texture of the flop and what you have. Sometimes there are no ways around giving a free card, especially if they're willing to cap it on the flop in a non-multiway pot. If they are, I'm not sure I've never run into them other than pure maniacs who aren't necessarily raising for a free card, they're just raising. Can you PM a hand or two where they did this along with your thoughts on the hand (or post it and PM the link to the forum)?Good luck at the tablesZara

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Posted 16 April 2005 - 08:10 PM

So, when do you raise with AQs or AQo? Can it be raised UTG or MP? This is the toughest hand to play in hold 'em, and it's killing my profits.
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Posted 16 April 2005 - 08:12 PM

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So, when do you raise with AQs or AQo?  Can it be raised UTG or MP?  This is the toughest hand to play in hold 'em, and it's killing my profits.
Raise them from any position. But if its raised in front of you, cold call with AQs and fold AQ. The only time you cold call with AQ, imo, is if you're on the butotn and there is a couple calls in front of you. That dead money pads the pot for the times that you are outkicked.
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Posted 16 April 2005 - 09:45 PM

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So, when do you raise with AQs or AQo?  Can it be raised UTG or MP?  This is the toughest hand to play in hold 'em, and it's killing my profits.
Raise them from any position. But if its raised in front of you, cold call with AQs and fold AQ. The only time you cold call with AQ, imo, is if you're on the butotn and there is a couple calls in front of you. That dead money pads the pot for the times that you are outkicked.
Couldn't agree more. Only sometimes, if there are a bunch of callers with a raise (like 4) I'll 3-bet from the button with AQs, but usually I'll just call along with everyone else. It helps mix it up and the couple of times I've done it it's worked out well for me so far.Zara

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Posted 17 April 2005 - 01:18 AM

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Petoria said:

So, when do you raise with AQs or AQo?  Can it be raised UTG or MP?  This is the toughest hand to play in hold 'em, and it's killing my profits.
Raise them from any position. But if its raised in front of you, cold call with AQs and fold AQ. The only time you cold call with AQ, imo, is if you're on the butotn and there is a couple calls in front of you. That dead money pads the pot for the times that you are outkicked.
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