Draw Facing Bets, Raises

[meservery 0]

Full Tilt PokerPot Limit Omaha Ring gameBlinds: $0.25/$0.506 playersConverterStack sizes:UTG: $15.60UTG+1: $93.10Hero: $50Button: $23.50SB: $28BB: $55.05Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with A T 4 K UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, Hero raises to $2.75, Button folds, SB calls, BB calls, 2 folds.Flop: 9 T Q ($9.25, 3 players)SB bets $3.5, BB raises to $19.75, Hero?

[bdc30 0]

I think you have to muck this. Sucks though...Most of your outs are probably in their hands already.

[BudBundy 0]

Are you kidding?Hero pushes all in and yells "ONE TIME!!" We have flush outs , straight outs , a ton of backdoor draws. I am pretty sure we are favourite against a naked straight or set without redraws......Someone should do the math tho.*BudBundy looks at Simo with puppy eyes.

[simo_8ball 1]

...Someone should do the math tho.*BudBundy looks at Simo with puppy eyes.

Omaha Hi: 820 enumerated boards containing Qs 9s Tdcards		  win   %win  lose  %lose  tie  %tie	 EVAs Ts  Kd  4d  344  41.95   476  58.05	0  0.00  0.420Qc 3c  2c  Qh  476  58.05   344  41.95	0  0.00  0.580

Omaha Hi: 820 enumerated boards containing Qs 9s Tdcards		  win   %win  lose  %lose  tie  %tie	 EVAs Ts  Kd  4d  289  35.24   523  63.78	8  0.98  0.357Ks Js  Qc  Qh  523  63.78   289  35.24	8  0.98  0.643

Omaha Hi: 820 enumerated boards containing Qs 9s Tdcards		  win   %win  lose  %lose  tie  %tie	 EVAs Ts  Kd  4d  403  49.15   409  49.88	8  0.98  0.496Ks Js  3c  2c  409  49.88   403  49.15	8  0.98  0.504

I think I'm happy getting it in here. At worst we are a 2/1 dog.

[bdc30 0]

We have flush outs (correct - how many though? there HAVE to be spades in the other guy's hands to make this bet and raise, don't there?) , straight outs (we're drawing to ONLY a jack, which also must be in other guys hands the way the action has played out) , a ton of backdoor draws (what backdoor draws? a diamond maybe? - what else?)

Sorta my thoughts in a nutsell. We're looking at 6-8 outs tops, with 2 to come. Meh.

[meservery 0]

Some of our outs are probably gone sure. But I cant really see us only having 6-8. That seems awfully low.

[BudBundy 0]

When we are counting our outs , we can't say "they have to have some of our spades". Any rainbow KJ is making the same re-raise. I don't see how we are drawing to only one jack either. You are putting us on the worst shape possible - Both bettor and raiser should have Nut straight with flush backups - while we will be against top two , set , or nut straight most of the time.We have a diamond draw. we have a pair on the flop which can lead to a FH. Small chances but they definitely add to our chance. Remember how many times you lost to runner runner FH or flush while you are holding the nut straight.

[bdc30 0]

I never said just one jack. - I said we're drawing to ONLY a jack for a straight, we have a gutshot draw only.I just think there are spots I'd rather be stuffing money in to a pot, such as with a huge wrap draw or a set already or something like that.

[BudBundy 0]

Folding definitely can't be a huge mistake.How about thisYou just watched Sammy Farha on HSP and you feel like gambling.Do you flat call to drag SB in or re-pot to push him off?

[meservery 0]

Folding definitely can't be a huge mistake.How about thisYou just watched Sammy Farha on HSP and you feel like gambling.Do you flat call to drag SB in or re-pot to push him off?

My hand would be a lot worse and my opponent would be better than Freddy Deeb.

[bdc30 0]

Fold>Push>Call imo.