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[shrimp4789]

Blinds are now $0.05/$0.10

SB - $8.03
Hero - $9.90
MP2 - $25.39
CO - $10 (first hand at table, has to post)

Hero has T T

Hero raises to $0.30
MP2 raises to $1.10
CO calls $1.10
SB calls $1.10
Hero calls $1.10

Pot = $4.50

Flop is 3 K 5
SB checks
Hero checks
MP2 bets $0.80
2 call
Hero calls

Pot = $7.70

Turn J
SB checks
Hero checks
2 check

Pot = $7.70

River T

SB bets $1.50
Hero calls $1.50
MP2 folds
CO raises to $8.10 (all-in)
SB folds
Hero....?

Im never sure what to do with mid pocket pairs from mid position or early position, tough to decide to limp or raise. The flop bet was very small in comparrison to the pot, and I didnt think MP2 had the K, but with 3 others in the hand, I felt I was behind SOMEONE, however was getting the odds to hit my 10.

After the turn was checked around, thats when I suddenly knew I was ahead.....or at the very least not far behind.........and when the river came.....thats when I seen the 2 hearts on the flop.......I never for one second seen the flush til the river and the fact that 1 or 2 people were prob chasing the flush........thus why I didnt raise SB, but the all-in screamed the flush.....I assume this is a fold everytime or......?

ps. I tried to format best I could........hope its ok.....it was a full ring table, 9 in, i just didnt include anyone who wasnt involved with the hand

[dms26]

I just fold the flop, you could be and probably are drawing to 1 out. Since one of your tens completes the flush, there is no harm in just dumping this hand.

Edit- I see you didn't notice the flush draw until the river, yeah you have to fold to this re-raise. You really can't beat much.

[shrimp4789]

you fold the flop when your getting almost 9-1 on your money?

[dms26]

you fold the flop when your getting almost 9-1 on your money?

against a K and a flush draw you are a 19-1 dog if you can see the river for free. I'd have to say this is the case a fair amount of the time.

[Zach6668]

against a K and a flush draw you are a 19-1 dog if you can see the river for free. I'd have to say this is the case a fair amount of the time.

Implied odds are fun though.

[shrimp4789]

that i must admit is 1 part of poker i have yet to try and tackle. i dont understand implied odds and how you calculate them.......mind sharing?

[Zach6668]

that i must admit is 1 part of poker i have yet to try and tackle. i dont understand implied odds and how you calculate them.......mind sharing?

Money you can win when you hit your hand.

There are also reverse implied odds, which is money you lose when you hit your hand, but it's still only the 2nd best hand.

To calculate implied odds, I usually just look at stack sizes. If you needed 4-1 drawing odds, and he bets enough that you are getting 2-1 pot odds... say he bets $12 into a $12 pot, and you have the nut flush draw, if it's an allin push, you'd have to fold because you aren't getting the right odds. But, if he has like $50 behind that, and you can expect him to reasonably pay you off once you hit, then you can make the call. In order to make it profitable, you'd need to be getting 2-1 implied odds, in addition to your 2-1 pot odds (to equal 4-1, to break even, that is), so, you'd need to be able to extract another 2x$12 on the river, or turn or whatever, after you hit your hand.

I'm all over the place.

[shrimp4789]

so then on the flop i have 9-1 pot odds........what were my implied odds?

[dms26]

so then on the flop i have 9-1 pot odds........what were my implied odds?

basically to call a bet of .80 on the flop you have to be able to win a pot of $15.20 to break even if you are a 19-1 dog. So if you hit your Td , is someone calling a pot size bet?

This is only if you think you can see the river for free, otherwise you need over 40-1. Assuming you are against a K and a flush draw. Which is worst case but in such a multi-way pot it has to be a concern.

[shrimp4789]

sorry......but how am i a 19-1 dog again?

[dms26]

sorry......but how am i a 19-1 dog again?

there are 3 other people still in the pot. If one of them has a king, and another one has a flush draw you are drawing to 1 out, the Td. That seems somewhat likely given the action. If you had the Th in your hand I wouldn't mind a call on the flop so much, but you don't