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[fatman]

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
5 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $2.15
CO: $37.45
Hero: $52.70
SB: $61.70
BB: $20

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is Button with Q Q
UTG raises all-in $2.15, CO folds, Hero ?


Does anyone flat call this all in by the short stack and hope to get some other players in the pot or do you 3 bet? Normally, I 3 bet this pre-flop if villian has more $ behind. Thoughts?

[litlebullet]

flat call sounds goot. look for a safe flop.

[Zach6668]

flat call sounds goot. look for a safe flop.

So you can let the villain c-bet his 99 on a AK3 flop and you'll fold the best hand?

[NEtwowilldo]

I'd make it $10. Don't give the blinds pot odds to call.

On the other hand you could smooth call to look weak and hope to let the blinds call and make a top pair smaller than queens, and you could try to stack them too. But this way you risk losing the pot.

On second thought, I think the smooth call will make you more in the long run if the blinds call with A J or A 10 and pair their bottom card.

[IAGTTAYM]

I make a isolation raise to $7 here 99% of the time.

If I had AA or maybe KK, I would think about smooth calling, but I think raising, even with AA, should be the default play.

The reason why I don't like smooth calling very often in this situation is that your raise doesn't have to be that strong. Why?

It really looks like you are isolating a tilty short stack that probably lost a big pot recently (Basically, you are isolating dead money)

So, if the SB or the BB is somewhat of a thinking player, the will probably acknowledge that and they will call your iso-raise, or maybe make another raise with much less then a premium hand.

[simo_8ball]

Depends on your overall style and how the table is playing. I don't mind any option as long as it isn't folding.

[Zach6668]

On the other hand you could smooth call to look weak and hope to let the blinds call and make a top pair smaller than queens, and you could try to stack them too. But this way you risk losing the pot.

On second thought, I think the smooth call will make you more in the long run if the blinds call with A J or A 10 and pair their bottom card.

Plz no. A lot of stuff has to happen for that to work. First of all, one of the blinds has to have AJ or AT, THEN they need to pair specifically their bottom card (3 outs). It's a ridiculous scenario of "what ifs".

Like I said above. Reraise preflop. Waiting for a safe flop with QQ, has no place in NLHE when there's been one raise. Seriously. Get money in while you most likely have the best hand. Why let AJ, 99, or whatever spike their cards, FURTHERMORE, if the flop comes AJ3, and he c-bets it, you're folding. Does he always have the A? No. He has TT, 99, etc, and folding the best hand is a big mistake, when you could have played it more aggressively preflop, for both value, AND definition.

[Snamuh]

Plz no. A lot of stuff has to happen for that to work. First of all, one of the blinds has to have AJ or AT, THEN they need to pair specifically their bottom card (3 outs). It's a ridiculous scenario of "what ifs".

Like I said above. Reraise preflop. Waiting for a safe flop with QQ, has no place in NLHE when there's been one raise. Seriously. Get money in while you most likely have the best hand. Why let AJ, 99, or whatever spike their cards, FURTHERMORE, if the flop comes AJ3, and he c-bets it, you're folding. Does he always have the A? No. He has TT, 99, etc, and folding the best hand is a big mistake, when you could have played it more aggressively preflop, for both value, AND definition.

Agree with Zach. Reraise to 7 or 8.