6 max?

[brando 0]

I'm really interested to hear what you guys have to say about 6 max vs. full ring table. I've seen it discussed periodically, but I've yet to get a full grasp of the 6 max.1. Is it more profitable or is it just a matter of preference?2. What are some rules that we all use in a full ring game that we shouldn't follow in a 6 max?3. Are the pots usually smaller and if so is this trade off for more hands/hr > than bigger pots?That's all I can think of for now......hopefully I'll get some insight on it.I play 1-2 full right now if that helps

[Vade 0]

SSHE basically has the idea that a 6-max game is essentially a full game with the first few spots gone (I think that's what it's trying to say )It seems to make sense...basically you've just got "middle position" and "late position" and the blinds2,2,2 in each spot

[brando 0]

So would you maybe raise something like KQs UTG?

[custom36 5]

So would you maybe raise something like KQs UTG?

In MP or better, yes.

[Smasharoo 0]

So would you maybe raise something like KQs UTG?If you're not raising it in a ten handed game UTG something's wrong.

[holman3rd 0]

So would you maybe raise something like KQs UTG?If you're not raising it in a ten handed game UTG something's wrong.

wow, really? are you referring to just low limit, or any limit?

[Smasharoo 0]

wow, really? are you referring to just low limit, or any limit?Any limit. If you're limping with KQs what in the world are you raising with? Just AA?

[holman3rd 0]

wow, really? are you referring to just low limit, or any limit?Any limit. If you're limping with KQs what in the world are you raising with? Just AA?

Most of the time, I do not play KQs in early position unless the table is loose passive. Yes, I typically play group 1 hands in early position, but do mix up my play at tougher tables so as to not be too predictable.And btw...i never said i'd limp with the hand. I never limp in early position, so on the few occassions that I choose to play this, I raise.

[Smasharoo 0]

Most of the time, I do not play KQs in early position unless the table is loose passive.So you're folding AK, AQs, TT etc UTG?That's thorowing money away.

[brando 0]

anyone have any answers to the other questions

[holman3rd 0]

Most of the time, I do not play KQs in early position unless the table is loose passive.So you're folding AK, AQs, TT etc UTG?That's thorowing money away.

Are you trying to pick a fight with me? My bad, not just group 1 b/c I do raise with those hands. OK, forget about "groups" for a moment. Typically, I raise UTG with AQs or better (pp's of TT or better).Just don't type that in player notes for me. :wink: Seriously, this is how I play most of the time. My game will open up depending on opponents. At a loose passive table, I'll actually limp with a lot less, as I can see a flop cheap and easily get away from less valuable starting hands.Against a TAGGY table, I play pretty darn tight, but then will occassionally raise it up UTG with lesser hands, hoping a) that my image makes opponents believe that I am really strong, or B) no one else has anything. In this type of game, if I'm re-raised, I pretty much know I'm way behind.

[Vade 0]

Most people will tell you that 6-max games are more profitableRaise a lot of hands that you'd limp with at a full table is probably a good idea

[holman3rd 0]

Sorry to have dragged this thread off topic. For what it's worth, Smash, my starting-hand comments apply to my full ring games. Of course I loosen up my starting requirements in 6-handed games.

[brando 0]

So would you maybe raise something like KQs UTG?If you're not raising it in a ten handed game UTG something's wrong.

Aren't the only hands that call 2 cold (usually) gonna have this hand dominated....or 50/50 at best?

[holman3rd 0]

So would you maybe raise something like KQs UTG?If you're not raising it in a ten handed game UTG something's wrong.

Aren't the only hands that call 2 cold (usually) gonna have this hand dominated....or 50/50 at best?

Against good players in full ring games, this is true. However, you're more likely to get re-raised, as opposed to flat-called. So, you will be putting another bet into the pot in a situation where you know you're probably behind. By the way, that's not to say i think you should fold. Folding to one more bet in limit poker is very bad.

[cdddc75 0]

So would you maybe raise something like KQs UTG?If you're not raising it in a ten handed game UTG something's wrong.

Aren't the only hands that call 2 cold (usually) gonna have this hand dominated....or 50/50 at best?

Against good players in full ring games, this is true. However, you're more likely to get re-raised, as opposed to flat-called. So, you will be putting another bet into the pot in a situation where you know you're probably behind. By the way, that's not to say i think you should fold. Folding to one more bet in limit poker is very bad.

<sw>I always call 72 off in the BB when the pot is raised once.</sw>

[holman3rd 0]

So would you maybe raise something like KQs UTG?If you're not raising it in a ten handed game UTG something's wrong.

Aren't the only hands that call 2 cold (usually) gonna have this hand dominated....or 50/50 at best?

Against good players in full ring games, this is true. However, you're more likely to get re-raised, as opposed to flat-called. So, you will be putting another bet into the pot in a situation where you know you're probably behind. By the way, that's not to say i think you should fold. Folding to one more bet in limit poker is very bad.

<sw>I always call 72 off in the BB when the pot is raised once.</sw>

Sarcasm aside. What I meant was this: after limping or raising, folding to one more bet (after a raise or re-raise behind you) is bad.I wasn't implying that you should defend your BB 100% of the time. Wasn't even talking about the BB. Perhaps next time I should be more explicit for those that either don't read an entire thread, or for those who I've managed to confuse (as I'm not the best articulator of my ideas).

[Smasharoo 0]

Aren't the only hands that call 2 cold (usually) gonna have this hand dominated....or 50/50 at best?That'd be great. You'd win so many blinds it'd easily justify raising it.The reality is that you'll get called with all sorts of junk and be way ahead most of the time.If you pick up the blinds, that's ****ing fantastic from UTG.

[NormanHaupt 0]

Aren't the only hands that call 2 cold (usually) gonna have this hand dominated....or 50/50 at best?That'd be great.  You'd win so many blinds it'd easily justify raising it.The reality is that you'll get called with all sorts of junk and be way ahead most of the time.If you pick up the blinds, that's censored fantastic from UTG.

^^^Raise KQs UTG.Limp KQo. KQs works in multiway pots, while KQo doesn't. Thats the difference.you raise KQs because you're able to deal with 1 cold caller or all 7 others and the blinds. You can adjust play to the flop. KQo you can't.At least thats my understandment.Like I'll raise AJs UTG, but not AJo.

[CavemanDoctor 0]

1. Is it more profitable or is it just a matter of preference?

It is more profitable since your opponents' mistakes are magnified because they are typically not getting the odds in drawing to more cards. In a full ring game, loose calls aren't nearly as catastrophic since you are often getting the right odds to call, or close to it.

[Smasharoo 0]

It is more profitable since your opponents' mistakes are magnified because they are typically not getting the odds in drawing to more cards.Depends on the opponents. 6-max isn't more profitable than a full table, just diffrent. It has more variacne, that's it. Heads up isn't more profitable than 6 max, it has more varicance, that's it.All done.