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[Startled]

I've been watching televised poker for a long time, and I know you have too.I'd like:1) More stats. I'm a sports nut, and I dig the stats. The percentages to win are good, but how about stack trends, aggro ratings, player notes, blind defense rate? I know that Vernon Wells hits .194 in night games, but I have no idea what DN's raise percentage is from late position, and nobody is going out of their way to tell me (either for the current tournament or lifetime).2) Player voiceover post-production. Not overused, but just bring a few star players in during post to talk over a few key hands while it is being shown. Let's hear the inner voice during the broadcast.3) Better graphics. There has to be better way to do the card display. I want to keep the folded cards available to see post-flop misses.4) Rabbit-cams. More, please. I know it's bad for poker, but it's good for TV.5) Commentators. Must have a cliche list. Once they use one, it has to be crossed off, and can't be used again in the same broadcast. I'm talking to you, Vince.6) HDTV.7) .... add your own.

[Dogpatch]

7) Me at a butt load of final tables ???I got nothin'.

[Pot Odds RAC]

Cheerleaders.

[FoxwoodsPro]

8) a scavenger hunt before each tourney

[mtdesmoines]

Pot Odds RAC, on Friday, April 20th, 2007, 12:58 PM, said:

Cheerleaders.

Nah. Cheers are stupid. We're all grown ups. Just have them dance nekkid.

[AWaaz]

mtdesmoines, on Friday, April 20th, 2007, 1:00 PM, said:

Nah. Cheers are stupid. We're all grown ups. Just have them dance nekkid.

I'd like to see a cross between the World Poker Tour and the WWE.Something like.. a kick in the nuts and a body slam after losing to runner runner backdoor flush....Any other examples???

[Startled]

AWaaz, on Friday, April 20th, 2007, 3:10 PM, said:

I'd like to see a cross between the World Poker Tour and the WWE.Something like.. a kick in the nuts and a body slam after losing to runner runner backdoor flush....Any other examples???

OK, so far nothing serious... fine. Riffing on this idea, how about a tantrum room adjacent to the production facility? A lot of cheap china and a pair of safety glasses?

[mtdesmoines]

AWaaz, on Friday, April 20th, 2007, 1:10 PM, said:

Something like.. a kick in the nuts and a body slam after WINNING WITH A runner runner backdoor flush....

FYP

[HermanKahn]

Startled, on Friday, April 20th, 2007, 1:36 PM, said:

I've been watching televised poker for a long time, and I know you have too.I'd like:1) More stats. I'm a sports nut, and I dig the stats. The percentages to win are good, but how about stack trends, aggro ratings, player notes, blind defense rate? I know that Vernon Wells hits .194 in night games, but I have no idea what DN's raise percentage is from late position, and nobody is going out of their way to tell me (either for the current tournament or lifetime).(lots of good ideas snipped)

Unfortunately, I think the only place you'll ever see a no-b*llsh*t show for serious players will be on Cable Access at 3AM.

[Donkey Destroyer]

The problem is if I was a pro and the TV shows were doing what you are suggesting I would never ever play a TV table. Everyone could simply watch the show and know exactly how to play me.Plus they don't show a TON of hands and that allows them to cut and edit to make the drama/action look exactly how they want. If they showd the stats for ALL the hands played then it limits how they can portray certain players and certain situations at the table.

[Startled]

Donkey Destroyer, on Friday, April 20th, 2007, 3:25 PM, said:

The problem is if I was a pro and the TV shows were doing what you are suggesting I would never ever play a TV table. Everyone could simply watch the show and know exactly how to play me.Plus they don't show a TON of hands and that allows them to cut and edit to make the drama/action look exactly how they want. If they showd the stats for ALL the hands played then it limits how they can portray certain players and certain situations at the table.

The problem with this attitude is that it panders. Once you've been watching baseball for a while, it would get really annoying to have them stop and explain the difference between a base hit and a triple every 30 minutes. This "thing of ours" has got to grow up and appeal to a mature fan base sooner or later.As to not playing TV tables? Most pros wouldn't leave the millions on the table, and those that would... will be replaced. If K-Dice has book on me as a hitter, do I cower in the dugout?

[gwoo10]

How about actually making the final table of a 50K HORSE Tourney, HORSE?Is that too obvious?

[gwoo10]

Startled, on Friday, April 20th, 2007, 12:36 PM, said:

1) More stats. I'm a sports nut, and I dig the stats. The percentages to win are good, but how about stack trends, aggro ratings, player notes, blind defense rate? I know that Vernon Wells hits .194 in night games, but I have no idea what DN's raise percentage is from late position, and nobody is going out of their way to tell me (either for the current tournament or lifetime).

This is why I can't stand watching or listening to baseball anymore. Everybody leads the league in something!You know Harry, he leads the league in hits on Sunday nights when the moon is full....

[Royal_Tour]

Maybe i'm the 1st to want this, but i kinda want a scripted poker show. Like a good one. Not that stupid one that aired last year. I dont even remember what it was called it was so bad.anyways, one thats like a cross between HSN / inside the life of, and inside the tank of a top young player written by people who know what the hell they are talking about. instead that garbage "I dont need to look at my cards, cuz i know what you got, BS"

[bige321786]

I think most of your ideas are worthwhile and worth implementing, except for two. I don't think they should show folded cards to highlght what they "missed" if they had played the hand, or rabbit cams. This is results oriented nonesense that just doesn't add anything to the game. Sure, Player X would have flopped a full house if he called the PF raise with his 94. Oh well. Rabbit cams should also not be used for the same reasons. However, one of the best things, directly from PAD, is showing what players are folding pre-flop. In any other show, you only see what cards the players are playing with after the flop. I really wanted to know what people are folding in HSP but we're not allowed that treat. I think that would really add a lot to HSP and other shows.thoughts?

[grocery_mony]

Been thinking for awhile they should have a dvd set that shows every hand played at a wsop me ft. I know they have the ppv(at least they did last year) but I would pay to see all the cards for every hand played, especially if there is a star or 2 at the table. Also less comentating and more table chat.

[vbnautilus]

More Phil Gordon!!!

[ice4804]

Startled, on Friday, April 20th, 2007, 5:53 PM, said:

The problem with this attitude is that it panders. Once you've been watching baseball for a while, it would get really annoying to have them stop and explain the difference between a base hit and a triple every 30 minutes. This "thing of ours" has got to grow up and appeal to a mature fan base sooner or later.

I thinks this is an excellent point and I agree with most of the points you brought up in your OP, too. It is time to move beyond the typical poker show that starts out with "here's how to play no limit texas hold'em." To the person who said they would know how you play, you don't think they have access to the unedited tape that shows every hand played? Putting up more detailed stats wouldn't give them any more info than they could already get on their own.

[showstopper24]

Startled, on Friday, April 20th, 2007, 12:36 PM, said:

6) HDTV.

I really don't understand what HDTV can do for poker. Its good for shows, but how much clearer do players need to be. Even if you are a pro and are watching a show for tells, HD won't make a difference.

[Donkey Destroyer]

Startled, on Friday, April 20th, 2007, 1:53 PM, said:

The problem with this attitude is that it panders. Once you've been watching baseball for a while, it would get really annoying to have them stop and explain the difference between a base hit and a triple every 30 minutes. This "thing of ours" has got to grow up and appeal to a mature fan base sooner or later.As to not playing TV tables? Most pros wouldn't leave the millions on the table, and those that would... will be replaced. If K-Dice has book on me as a hitter, do I cower in the dugout?

Ok you're an idiot. This isn't baseball and nothing in anyway compares to it. Panders? Explain a triple? When was the last time they explained how hold'em was played on a tv show? We aren't talking about basics here, we are talking about obscure stats.And yes if you had to put up 10k of your own money every time you stepped up to the plate and any tom **** or hairy could throw a 90 fastball and a curve at you you wouldn't want the tv handing out the stats that you strike out on 6th pitch change ups to the people you are going to be playing against. If they got that info on their own then thats good scouting but if you had the tv handing out stats that allowed them to be able to beat you you'd be singing a different when its your own money on the line.And lastly this just an example of being holier than thou. Baseball is a better game because of the rediculous amount of stats is a silly arguement at best and laughable at worst.