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[ramenandeggs]

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t20/t40
8 players
Converter


Stack sizes:
UTG: t1320
UTG+1: t1155
MP1: t1515
MP2: t1920
CO: t2920
Button: t690
SB: t2225
Hero: t1755


Pre-flop: (8 players) Hero is BB with J♥ 6♥
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls t40 (pot was t60), 2 folds, CO calls t40 (pot was t100), Button folds, SB calls t20 (pot was t140), Hero checks.


Flop: A♣ 2♦ J♦ (t160, 4 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, CO checks.


Turn: 5♥ (t160, 4 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, CO bets t160, SB folds, Hero calls t160 (pot was t320), UTG+1 folds.


River: T♦ (t480, 2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets t480, Hero?

I was thinking of maybe leading 1/2 pot on river but decided to give it up. Anyone give it up on turn? Players to my left have generally been tight, and the lags are on the right. CO among the aggressive ones. First hand he picked up huge pot with Q8 top pair, against two of the other lags on my right both one overplaying bottom pair and one overplaying 2nd pair. Still early, but it looks like that's how the table's going down so far. No deep reads.

[AKProdigy]

I think you have to fold or raise on turn, and given your weak kicker with the 2nd pair, I'd fold.

[mjd]

I check/fold this with 3 villains going to the flop unless I get two-pair (or better) and a flush draw. Your kicker is terrible, there's very little in the pot, nd you're not going to get play from any worse hands.

[jmbreslin]

I don't understand your play at all here. You check the flop and then check-call a pot-sized bet on the turn with a card that didn't improve your hand at all? As you played it, fold the turn. But I might have thrown out a bet on the flop to test the waters and folded if someone played back at me.

[ramenandeggs]

I don't understand your play at all here. You check the flop and then check-call a pot-sized bet on the turn with a card that didn't improve your hand at all? As you played it, fold the turn. But I might have thrown out a bet on the flop to test the waters and folded if someone played back at me.

your approach loses the same chips as mine. I don't see a five helping many hands here that play it like this except maybe 55. But when I play a weak hand hard on the flop, I lose chances to draw out relatively cheap, and in many cases I go into the turn with an inflated pot. What if a flush draw check-calls or even uses the infamous check-shove? I'll just be throwing chips into a pot that I'm willing to fold to hands that are behind mine. Am I going to put him on a flush draw, a better J or a raggedy A? It won't matter right? I'm mucking it regardless.

A 5 or any other noncoordinating cards here, actually improves my hand if I'm already ahead and makes little difference if I'm already behind.

That's why I don't see checking the flop a horrible thing to do, and if leading the flop was viable, I definitely don't see a problem in check-calling the turn. Everyone's saying I fold river yes? I'm thinking that means I got just as much information as a flop lead.

[copernicus]

your approach loses the same chips as mine. I don't see a five helping many hands here that play it like this except maybe 55. But when I play a weak hand hard on the flop, I lose chances to draw out relatively cheap, and in many cases I go into the turn with an inflated pot. What if a flush draw check-calls or even uses the infamous check-shove? I'll just be throwing chips into a pot that I'm willing to fold to hands that are behind mine. Am I going to put him on a flush draw, a better J or a raggedy A? It won't matter right? I'm mucking it regardless.

A 5 or any other noncoordinating cards here, actually improves my hand if I'm already ahead and makes little difference if I'm already behind.

That's why I don't see checking the flop a horrible thing to do, and if leading the flop was viable, I definitely don't see a problem in check-calling the turn. Everyone's saying I fold river yes? I'm thinking that means I got just as much information as a flop lead.

Youve gotten as much information as a flop lead, but youve given away far more information than a flop lead would. If Im folding this river, its because I decided earlier that he has an A, so I wouldnt have called the turn bet either.

[SpiderGuard]

I give this one up. Too many times A/rag plays this hand exactly like it's being played, as does a flush draw.

But making a pot sized bet on the flop or turn >>>>>>>> calling a pot sized bet on the turn.