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#1 MrSmith

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Posted 19 April 2007 - 01:47 AM

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#2 MajorHangover

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Posted 19 April 2007 - 02:04 AM

Well said, Ram. Great to hear your side of the story. Good on you.

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Posted 19 April 2007 - 02:33 AM

Finally - a rational and coherent account of what really happened. And not one iota of conjecture or hearsay.Maybe *someone* should be taking notes...............

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Posted 19 April 2007 - 02:46 AM

View Postrobgibraltar, on Thursday, April 19th, 2007, 11:33 AM, said:

Finally - a rational and coherent account of what really happened. And not one iota of conjecture or hearsay.Maybe *someone* should be taking notes...............
brilliant, brilliant post. A first hand, well written reply without sarcasm.I think the last paragraph sums up the situation very well.

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Posted 19 April 2007 - 03:21 AM

View Postrobgibraltar, on Thursday, April 19th, 2007, 11:33 AM, said:

Finally - a rational and coherent account of what really happened. And not one iota of conjecture or hearsay.Maybe *someone* should be taking notes...............
Back in January Marc posted his side of the story on Blonde. Neither Ram nor Marc's story makes good reading for Ivey.

'Marc Goodwin' said:

Hi all, i have been asked to reply to Kanos thread re golf game in Australia. On the basis that his post begins self-indulgent. semi-successful, boastful etc don't ask me how but i had an idea how his post may go, in poker terms he gave his hand away. If he had read i was the cause of climate control and poverty in the Third World i guess he would of just jumped in and slagged me off. Sorry i digress, but i feel better!! It is difficult to know where to start as he is so factually incorrect: I last saw Eric Sagstrom in Vegas in April 2006 so he never walked off after 9 holes and he may deserve an apology on the basis that "he had no intention of paying" for a game he never attended. (IMO) Kano and others may disagree. At the start of the game we said to Phil that as we haven't played for 3 months and he must have improved we need to adjust the handicaps. We could not agree and we were doomed to no game until Ram said "does Eric Lingdren still give you 10 shots" to which Phil replied yes!!On that piece of information we had a game. As we always ***** about handicaps throughout the match Phil suggested that we agree to play 18 holes with no adjustment and then adjust for the next series of games. We agreed . I had 7 pars and a birdie back nine( even though i stormed off after 7 holes in a rage) and we lost 8 holes as they were 9 under for the last 7 holes. as anyone who plays golf would know when playing better ball doubles it is very hard to win by 3 or more holes , they finished 14 up lol. We have had the better of Phil in golf games over the last year but our biggest victory was 3 up. We had been spanked but arranged a new revised game later that week. We went out together that night (even though we have severed ties and have all this supposed ill feeling). Later on we met Eric who informed us that he gives Phil NO SHOTS. We therefore felt aggrieved and Ram asked Phil for an apology. As to wether we pay or not will be discussed in Vegas in April when we next meet. Let me put this question to you all. If i had turned up with a pro golfer and Phil said do you get shots off Eric, we said yes 10 . We played and won then he found out should he pay even a penny? If you think that he has been hustled not cheated and its just unlucky then you must be of the opinion that we should pay. In saying that If when we meet and we cant agree we will probably pay and sever ties. To gain an edge yes to win at all costs no thankyou. I will let you all know the outcome this April.


#6 Isaacs

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Posted 19 April 2007 - 03:50 AM

im on Rams side in this one, great to see him finally come out and defend himself

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Posted 19 April 2007 - 04:29 AM

View PostIsaacs, on Thursday, April 19th, 2007, 12:50 PM, said:

im on Rams side in this one, great to see him finally come out and defend himself
Agreed, it's unfortunate that he has sort of been forced into this but nice to hear from the horses mouth (No pun intended) as much as it doesn't concern any of us.

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Posted 19 April 2007 - 04:39 AM

Here comes the euro's from the hendonmob forum trying to back up the Welcher. :club:

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Posted 19 April 2007 - 04:53 AM

View Postxmykro, on Thursday, April 19th, 2007, 1:39 PM, said:

Here comes the euro's from the hendonmob forum trying to back up the Welcher. :club:
eh? im not even a member of the Hendon Forum Mob but basically anyone who's opinion supports Ram on the issue is?

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Posted 19 April 2007 - 05:00 AM

And who are you to call anyone a welcher????Danielle made a mistake posting and now Ram has given a dignified andpertinent reply.

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Posted 19 April 2007 - 05:08 AM

edit - quoted the wrong post - pls see below.

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Posted 19 April 2007 - 05:12 AM

View Postxmykro, on Thursday, April 19th, 2007, 12:39 PM, said:

Here comes the euro's from the hendonmob forum trying to back up the Welcher. :club:
I never expected to see such a prejudiced remark on a public forum. You should be ashamed of yourself.Just because a person is a member of a particular group does not mean that person's opinions are wrong or invalid.I believe Hitler made that assumption many years ago.

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Posted 19 April 2007 - 05:15 AM

Dignified and pertinent response? Ram didn't say anything we didn't already know from that side.But from his post I now know Barry Greenstein is on Phil's side also.Along with:Daniel NegreanuTodd BrunsonDoyle BrunsonAnd a lot of other pros.Ram will man up and pay sooner or later.

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Posted 19 April 2007 - 05:19 AM

View Postrobgibraltar, on Thursday, April 19th, 2007, 6:12 AM, said:

I never expected to see such a prejudiced remark on a public forum. You should be ashamed of yourself.Just because a person is a member of a particular group does not mean that person's opinions are wrong or invalid.I believe Hitler made that assumption many years ago.
Hahahaha. If you are offended by someone calling you a Euro, you have some problems my friend. Wipe your tears away.

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Posted 19 April 2007 - 05:20 AM

View Postxmykro, on Thursday, April 19th, 2007, 2:15 PM, said:

Dignified and pertinent response? Ram didn't say anything we didn't already know from that side.But from his post I now know Barry Greenstein is on Phil's side also.Along with:Daniel NegreanuTodd BrunsonDoyle BrunsonAnd a lot of other pros.Ram will man up and pay sooner or later.
omg he better pay up quick then!!11, da pro mafia are coming for him!1i highly doubt Ram gives a flying **** what any of the above think to be honest. They all heard the one side of the story before hearing the other.

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Posted 19 April 2007 - 05:21 AM

My point is that you state Ram is a welcher, from a position of ignorance.So it has no credibility, it merely makes you look an opinionated fool.Danielle may well have an opinion, but he was foolish to post.

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Posted 19 April 2007 - 05:30 AM

View Postxmykro, on Thursday, April 19th, 2007, 1:19 PM, said:

Hahahaha. If you are offended by someone calling you a Euro, you have some problems my friend. Wipe your tears away.
No - I am offended by someone who thinks that my opinions count for nothing because I belong to a particular group. You are pre-judging me and others based on a class.That just shows how ignorant you really are.

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Posted 19 April 2007 - 05:39 AM

View Postrobgibraltar, on Thursday, April 19th, 2007, 6:30 AM, said:

No - I am offended by someone who thinks that my opinions count for nothing because I belong to a particular group. You are pre-judging me and others based on a class.That just shows how ignorant you really are.
Oh please. don't gimme that twisted drivel. Where in my post did I say your opinion didn't count? I was stating the obvious:"Here comes the euro's from the hendonmob forum to back up the Welcher"If you want to twist it in your own mind, that's not my fault.

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Posted 19 April 2007 - 05:43 AM

There is definitely some conflicting views from both sides. An arbitrator sounds like a good idea but does anyone know any "professional golf gambling arbitrators". I looked it up in the phone book and couldn't find anyone listed.

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Posted 19 April 2007 - 05:44 AM

And what would happen if I were to post on here something like:"here come all the yanks to back up the conman and the egomaniac"I'd get flamed right? I'd be insinuating that "the yanks" opinions don't count. I'd have been disparaging, which would lead to me casting an immediate doubt over the integrity of your comments because you fall into the group of "the yanks".Anyone who reads anything posted by "the yanks" after that post is less likely to believe it, because someone has already attacked it.If you don't understand what I'm talking about then I'm not going to waste any more time talking about it. End of.Note - the correct phrase by the way is "dry your eyes princess".




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