KirkMclean 0 Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 I was reading www.pokerlistings.com the other day and I came across there question of the day for april 14th. actually heres a link to it to check it out http://www.pokerlistings.com/poker-question?s=3&w=15In this hand you flop an open ended straight flush draw. The question advocates 3 bet jamming with your OESFD. I think this only works sometimes, you need to have the correct type of opponent. If the villain can't lay down an over pair in this spot then it is a -ev move.Any thoughts? Link to post Share on other sites
Naismith 0 Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 It's actually the definition of +EV.If you have an OESFD and get it all in against an overpair everytime, you'll be a very wealthy guy. Link to post Share on other sites
davezz5 0 Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 OESFD favorite over an over-pair, so probably a good situation against this type of hand:- +ev. Also in Nl, if you only bet your big draws when they hit ,you will be losing EV long term, due to opponents not paying you off. Link to post Share on other sites
Acid_Knight 2 Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 If you have an open-ended straight flush draw and your opponent has an overpair (without one of your flush cards) then you are a 56.25% to 43.75% favorite to win the pot.If your opponent has the overpair with a backdoor flush draw, then you're still a 52.6% to 47.4% favorite.I'll take those odds every time. Plus, if your opponent folds his overpair (or has any other weaker hand) then it's even higher +EV. Link to post Share on other sites
iowahawk09 0 Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 If you have an open-ended straight flush draw and your opponent has an overpair (without one of your flush cards) then you are a 56.25% to 43.75% favorite to win the pot.If your opponent has the overpair with a backdoor flush draw, then you're still a 52.6% to 47.4% favorite.I'll take those odds every time. Plus, if your opponent folds his overpair (or has any other weaker hand) then it's even higher +EV.What he said Link to post Share on other sites
donk4life 34 Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 OESFD favorite over an over-pair, so probably a good situation against this type of hand:- +ev. Also in Nl, if you only bet your big draws when they hit ,you will be losing EV long term, due to opponents not paying you off.^^exactly..+EV Link to post Share on other sites
Jordan 1 Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 I was reading www.pokerlistings.com the other day and I came across there question of the day for april 14th. actually heres a link to it to check it out http://www.pokerlistings.com/poker-question?s=3&w=15In this hand you flop an open ended straight flush draw. The question advocates 3 bet jamming with your OESFD. I think this only works sometimes, you need to have the correct type of opponent. If the villain can't lay down an over pair in this spot then it is a -ev move.Any thoughts?my thought is...why do you think that? And for how long have you?- Jordan Link to post Share on other sites
No_Neck 0 Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 SHHHHH you guys are giving away the last advantage I have left... The issue is getting your opponent to get all the money in on the flop, without him having a set. Link to post Share on other sites
Acid_Knight 2 Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 I think this only works sometimes, you need to have the correct type of opponent. If the villain can't lay down an over pair in this spot then it is a -ev move.The only "sometimes" that this works is in any hand where the villain has an overpair, set or basically any single hand and chooses to either call your all-in or fold to your all-in. Hey, wait, that kinda covers pretty much EVERY situation doesn't it?Hmm, I guess that fastplaying a 15 card draw when you're heads-up is pretty much always +EV. Just make sure to play your sets super fast too to get paid on them the same way. Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 2 Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 It's actually the definition of +EV.If you have an OESFD and get it all in against an overpair everytime, you'll be a very wealthy guy.OESFD is my dream flop. Link to post Share on other sites
sixsixtie 0 Posted April 17, 2007 Share Posted April 17, 2007 Ok now what about TODAY'S question there? I mean I'm probably going to bet that turn every time. I don't think getting check raised there would be the end of the world by any means. I see what they are saying tho about just checking behind and trying to see if you make your draw to the nuts. But what is everyones feelings towards this hand? I think this is a very borderline situation definitely not cut and dry! Link to post Share on other sites
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