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[linkwood]

Roberts2003, on Tuesday, April 17th, 2007, 12:13 PM, said:

thats like 1 of 3000 cliche poker sayings. another one is, "never draw to that sucker straight!!" a third one is, "watch out for the limper!!"

i love it when people come to the forum for advice and then scorn everyone who gives them advice

[Acid_Knight]

Roberts2003, on Tuesday, April 17th, 2007, 12:13 PM, said:

thats like 1 of 3000 cliche poker sayings. another one is, "never draw to that sucker straight!!" a third one is, "watch out for the limper!!"

Ok, how's this.Your play is retarded. It's almost impossible that no matter how stupid your opponent is, that you could ever be winning if you bet and are called on this flop. You might be drawing to 8 outs and you might be drawing to none. Drawing dead is bad. If it's a cliche, oh well. Bad cliches are better than your awful play in this hand. This hand is played horribly and I think that you just didn't want to let go of pocket jacks so instead of a reasonable line where you check/fold to a pot sized flop bet and check/call if you're getting good odds to draw to a straight, you decided to stick your whole stack in without thinking.I mean, did you even take a minute to think about what your opponent could possibly be holding here? He called you on the flop. It's really unlikely that he's going anywhere on the turn considering the awesome pot odds that he's getting. Your play is suicide, which bring me back to my original point:Never push your stack in when it's a legit possibilitiy that you'll be drawing dead.

[Roberts2003]

Acid_Knight, on Tuesday, April 17th, 2007, 11:38 AM, said:

Ok, how's this.Your play is retarded. It's almost impossible that no matter how stupid your opponent is, that you could ever be winning if you bet and are called on this flop. You might be drawing to 8 outs and you might be drawing to none. Drawing dead is bad. If it's a cliche, oh well. Bad cliches are better than your awful play in this hand. This hand is played horribly and I think that you just didn't want to let go of pocket jacks so instead of a reasonable line where you check/fold to a pot sized flop bet and check/call if you're getting good odds to draw to a straight, you decided to stick your whole stack in without thinking.I mean, did you even take a minute to think about what your opponent could possibly be holding here? He called you on the flop. It's really unlikely that he's going anywhere on the turn considering the awesome pot odds that he's getting. Your play is suicide, which bring me back to my original point:Never push your stack in when it's a legit possibilitiy that you'll be drawing dead.

alright, fair enough Acid Knight, i do admit that the hands looks pretty bad. decided to rep a stronger hand then JJ and it didnt work. ill remember your wise words the next time i sparr off at 2 4 NL.

[Lavitz]

I'd focus a little on pot control. You have a monster HU hand and your pre-flop 3 bet is so large that you seem like you don't want him to call. I wouldn't c-bet this flop. If villian is passive chances are he's going to give you a free card and if he bets I think we can fold this for a better spot because a passive villian just raised and called our overly large 3-bet and then bet after we checked a highly coordinated flop that was likely to have hit us. That usually mens he is going with his hand. If he has a hand we're ahead of like a PP I can't see hm firing that kind of board after we 3 bet. Same goes with A10 in which I think he'd try to take a free card for his shot at the nuts.As played, turn is atrocious card for us. Check/fold. Some of our outs could fill him up and/or are blocked by him if our outs are even good in the first place. He's not laying it down either.

[Acid_Knight]

Lavitz, on Tuesday, April 17th, 2007, 2:19 PM, said:

As played, turn is atrocious card for us.

The turn card doesn't change anything except that we could be drawing dead. The flop was what was horrible.

[Jordan]

Acid_Knight, on Tuesday, April 17th, 2007, 1:25 PM, said:

The turn card doesn't change anything except that we could be drawing dead. The flop was what was horrible.

I have a cliche.The first mistake in nl games often lead to the second and third.weeeee- Jordan

[mtdesmoines]

Jordan, on Tuesday, April 17th, 2007, 2:05 PM, said:

I have a cliche.The first mistake in nl games often lead to the second and third.weeeee- Jordan

You mean c-betting to the river is a B-A-D idea? ****.

[Jordan]

mtdesmoines, on Tuesday, April 17th, 2007, 2:07 PM, said:

You mean c-betting to the river is a B-A-D idea? ****.

Unless it works.- Jordan

[mtdesmoines]

Jordan, on Tuesday, April 17th, 2007, 2:10 PM, said:

Unless it works.- Jordan

Isn't that results-oriented thinking?

[Jordan]

mtdesmoines, on Tuesday, April 17th, 2007, 2:15 PM, said:

Isn't that results-oriented thinking?

Yes.Did you not get my internet sarcasm?Although, most (err maybe a lot is better) people base poker skills off results-oriented thinking.- Jordan

[mtdesmoines]

Jordan, on Tuesday, April 17th, 2007, 2:18 PM, said:

Did you not get my internet sarcasm?

[Jordan]

el o elwp

[Lavitz]

Acid_Knight, on Tuesday, April 17th, 2007, 1:25 PM, said:

The turn card doesn't change anything except that we could be drawing dead. The flop was what was horrible.

The fact that some of our outs can now fill up opponent or the fact we could be already drawing dead is pretty bad. At least we had a clean shot at the nuts on the flop without a paired board.Yes, flop was horrible for obvious reasons.

[Roberts2003]

Lavitz, on Tuesday, April 17th, 2007, 11:11 PM, said:

The fact that some of our outs can now fill up opponent or the fact we could be already drawing dead is pretty bad. At least we had a clean shot at the nuts on the flop without a paired board.Yes, flop was horrible for obvious reasons.

yes i agree, and i was actually on pretty bad tilt at the time. the results are that he had AQ and it held.does anyone else here play a lot of heads up cash games?? although not often, i occasionally do struggle with steam control when playing heads up, and i wanted to know if that also effected other people.

[Jordan]

Roberts2003, on Wednesday, April 18th, 2007, 10:51 PM, said:

yes i agree, and i was actually on pretty bad tilt at the time. the results are that he had AQ and it held.does anyone else here play a lot of heads up cash games?? although not often, i occasionally do struggle with steam control when playing heads up, and i wanted to know if that also effected other people.

I used to play HU all the time, and yes...steaming can really hurt your roll.I took $200 to 6k playing HU 50 and 100nl, titled one night and played 10/20 HU.Weeeeeeeeeee- Jordan

[Roberts2003]

Jordan, on Wednesday, April 18th, 2007, 11:53 PM, said:

I used to play HU all the time, and yes...steaming can really hurt your roll.I took $200 to 6k playing HU 50 and 100nl, titled one night and played 10/20 HU.Weeeeeeeeeee- Jordan

yeah, i play 1 2 NL heads up only because the swings of 2 4 NL are still a little much to me, as i am rolled to play 2 4 as well. that is my normal state of mind. but when ive lost a couple buy ins at 1 2, all i want to do is go get it back at 2 4 and 3 6 haha. this leads to me a story that sounds very unbelievable but sadly, is true. about 5 months ago on Full Tilt, i got up about 8K in 6 weeks. i then lost 1K in 1 day and was full out steaming. so i was planning on cashing it out, and putting it on Absolute Poker to get a check without having to pay a fee. Well when i did this, it said i had to wait 48 hours before cashing out, so lookd around, and who do i see at 5 10 NL by himself? micheal the grinder mizrachi that is who haha. so i sat down with 1000, he had 2000 cause at AP its a 200 BB buy in. long story short, i got all in on a 2400$ pot with JQ vs K10 on a flop of 2JQ, and the turn was an ace. i cashed out and swore off poker.....3 days later i was back. haha. kind of sickening to look back on, but that is an extreme case of what NOT to do when you are steaming, play someone who is cardplayer of the year and who is the main pro on the site.

[Jordan]

meh, you need a big roll for hu games.seriously, like 35-40minimum in my opinion.- Jordan