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#1 NormanHaupt

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Posted 14 April 2005 - 12:09 PM

In the mdidle of what I think is a large downswing, but wrto laughs at me. 100 bucks when your BR is only like 650 is something to worry about.My stats are no different than .5/1 stats, with he exception of won at SD. Normally I do hit 60%. Today, I'm 31%. I am pretty irate and upset right now. I'm down 110 offically, so 55bb downswing in 407 hands.So I'm looking at hands which cost me the most and, Q9s seems to be doing it this session. So, lets gander.As usual, until the converter learns to convert logs from PTracker, this is what you get. Sorry.Dealt to HauptFCP [ 9d Qd ]maestrogoran folds.Strider_ICC folds.cheetz folds.Jeanette29 folds.kris_rem calls [$1].ogkamark calls [$1].HauptFCP calls [$1].HopFan calls [$0.5].honky_ checks.** Dealing Flop ** [ Qs, 5s, 5d ]HopFan checks.honky_ checks.kris_rem bets [$1].ogkamark folds.HauptFCP raises [$2].Raise to protectHopFan calls [$2].honky_ folds.kris_rem raises [$2].Got the information I wanted. I should've foled.HauptFCP calls [$1].HopFan calls [$1].** Dealing Turn ** [ 8h ]HopFan checks.kris_rem bets [$2].HauptFCP calls [$2].But I obviously decided to call down.HopFan calls [$2].** Dealing River ** [ Ah ]HopFan checks.kris_rem checks.? Maybe they were capping the flush draw. Too late for a value bet?HauptFCP bets [$2].HopFan folds.kris_rem calls [$2].Yes, no value in that bet. :(Dealt to HauptFCP [ Qc 9c ]Kuckc folds.jmapih folds.Cancer1man folds.deb98506 calls [$1].NongTomg calls [$1].Quagmire12 calls [$1].HatMagic folds.jessagui folds.HauptFCP calls [$0.5].bunkerhund checks.** Dealing Flop ** [ 5d, 3c, 9s ]HauptFCP checks.bunkerhund checks.deb98506 checks.NongTomg bets [$1].Quagmire12 raises [$2].HauptFCP raises [$3].I've seen Quagmire bake some REALLY stupid plays. I wanted to isolate him here badly. Was a 3 bet a bad idea?bunkerhund folds.deb98506 folds.NongTomg folds.Quagmire12 raises [$2].HauptFCP calls [$1].If it was, then this was probably stupid, too.** Dealing Turn ** [ Jh ]HauptFCP bets [$2].Quagmire12 raises [$4].HauptFCP calls [$2].** Dealing River ** [ Kh ]HauptFCP checks.Quagmire12 bets [$2].HauptFCP folds.At least I woke up with some sense.Quagmire12 does not show cards.Quagmire12 wins $23Dealt to HauptFCP [ 9c Qc ]boblrnz folds.EST1969 folds.ShriekMonkey folds.xWAVEx folds.ranch33 folds.HauptFCP calls [$1].pokemart raises [$2].jakb_lkp folds.TheRobbit folds.HauptFCP calls [$1].** Dealing Flop ** [ 5c, 6c, Ks ]HauptFCP checks.pokemart bets [$1].HauptFCP calls [$1].Pokemart, again, one of those morons i've see make stupid plays. I was sure BOTH my Q and 9 were good overcards.** Dealing Turn ** [ 8d ]HauptFCP checks.pokemart bets [$2].HauptFCP calls [$2].stll sure.** Dealing River ** [ 6d ]HauptFCP checks.pokemart checks.HauptFCP shows [ 9c, Qc ] a pair of sixes.pokemart shows [ Kh, Th ] two pairs, kings and sixes.pokemart wins $11 from the main pot with two pairs, kings and sixes.I know this stuff. I really do. I can sit hre and explain it back to you guys. Why the HELL don't I do it at the table?I'm so ****ing pissed right now. EVERY time I go to 1/2 tables this happens. EVERY-****ING-TIME. I've seen 3000 total hands at it and I lose roughly 2.6 bb/100 playing there. My stats all look appropriate, I just can't win period.

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Posted 14 April 2005 - 12:15 PM

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I'm so censored censored right now. EVERY time I go to 1/2 tables this happens. EVERY-censored-TIME. I've seen 3000 total hands at it and I lose roughly 2.6 bb/100 playing there. My stats all look appropriate, I just can't win period.
If you're playing Q9s like this, something isn't right.You are horribly overvaluing that hand.

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Posted 14 April 2005 - 12:16 PM

You'd get better responces if you did theses hands one at a time. Anyway...

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Dealt to HauptFCP [  9d Qd ]maestrogoran folds.Strider_ICC folds.cheetz folds.Jeanette29 folds.kris_rem calls [$1].ogkamark calls [$1].HauptFCP calls [$1].HopFan calls [$0.5].honky_ checks.** Dealing Flop ** [ Qs, 5s, 5d ]HopFan checks.honky_ checks.kris_rem bets [$1].ogkamark folds.HauptFCP raises [$2].Raise to protectHopFan calls [$2].honky_ folds.kris_rem raises [$2].Got the information I wanted. I should've foled.HauptFCP calls [$1].HopFan calls [$1].** Dealing Turn ** [ 8h ]HopFan checks.kris_rem bets [$2].HauptFCP calls [$2].But I obviously decided to call down.HopFan calls [$2].** Dealing River ** [ Ah ]HopFan checks.kris_rem checks.? Maybe they were capping the flush draw. Too late for a value bet?HauptFCP bets [$2].HopFan folds.kris_rem calls [$2].Yes, no value in that bet. :D
Check behind on the river. You know that.

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Dealt to HauptFCP [  Qc 9c ]Kuckc folds.jmapih folds.Cancer1man folds.deb98506 calls [$1].NongTomg calls [$1].Quagmire12 calls [$1].HatMagic folds.jessagui folds.HauptFCP calls [$0.5].bunkerhund checks.** Dealing Flop ** [ 5d, 3c, 9s ]HauptFCP checks.bunkerhund checks.deb98506 checks.NongTomg bets [$1].Quagmire12 raises [$2].HauptFCP raises [$3].I've seen Quagmire bake some REALLY stupid plays. I wanted to isolate him here badly. Was a 3 bet a bad idea?bunkerhund folds.deb98506 folds.NongTomg folds.Quagmire12 raises [$2].HauptFCP calls [$1].If it was, then this was probably stupid, too.** Dealing Turn ** [ Jh ]HauptFCP bets [$2].Quagmire12 raises [$4].HauptFCP calls [$2].** Dealing River ** [ Kh ]HauptFCP checks.Quagmire12 bets [$2].HauptFCP folds.At least I woke up with some sense.Quagmire12 does not show cards.Quagmire12 wins $23
Call the river! You are getting 11-1. It's a crying call and you can expect to be beat, but shit, man. You said this guy made some dumb plays...

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Dealt to HauptFCP [  9c Qc ]boblrnz folds.EST1969 folds.ShriekMonkey folds.xWAVEx folds.ranch33 folds.HauptFCP calls [$1].pokemart raises [$2].jakb_lkp folds.TheRobbit folds.HauptFCP calls [$1].** Dealing Flop ** [ 5c, 6c, Ks ]HauptFCP checks.pokemart bets [$1].HauptFCP calls [$1].Pokemart, again, one of those morons i've see make stupid plays. I was sure BOTH my Q and 9 were good overcards.** Dealing Turn ** [ 8d ]HauptFCP checks.pokemart bets [$2].HauptFCP calls [$2].stll sure.** Dealing River ** [ 6d ]HauptFCP checks.pokemart checks.HauptFCP shows [ 9c, Qc ] a pair of sixes.pokemart shows [ Kh, Th ] two pairs, kings and sixes.pokemart wins $11 from  the main pot  with two pairs, kings and sixes.
Bet the flop.
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Posted 14 April 2005 - 12:17 PM

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NormanHaupt said:

I'm so censored censored right now. EVERY time I go to 1/2 tables this happens. EVERY-censored-TIME. I've seen 3000 total hands at it and I lose roughly 2.6 bb/100 playing there. My stats all look appropriate, I just can't win period.
If you're playing Q9s like this, something isn't right.You are horribly overvaluing that hand.
You don't limp from MP, button, or complete in the small blind with it?
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Posted 14 April 2005 - 12:21 PM

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cdddc75 said:

NormanHaupt said:

I'm so censored censored right now. EVERY time I go to 1/2 tables this happens. EVERY-censored-TIME. I've seen 3000 total hands at it and I lose roughly 2.6 bb/100 playing there. My stats all look appropriate, I just can't win period.
If you're playing Q9s like this, something isn't right.You are horribly overvaluing that hand.
You don't limp from MP, button, or complete in the small blind with it?
Limp from button and complete, yes. Call a raise behind me preflop, not likely. Considering it's not even a top 30 hand, I'm not going crazy with it unless I hit it for at least two pair.

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Posted 14 April 2005 - 12:22 PM

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cdddc75 said:

NormanHaupt said:

I'm so censored censored right now. EVERY time I go to 1/2 tables this happens. EVERY-censored-TIME. I've seen 3000 total hands at it and I lose roughly 2.6 bb/100 playing there. My stats all look appropriate, I just can't win period.
If you're playing Q9s like this, something isn't right.You are horribly overvaluing that hand.
You don't limp from MP, button, or complete in the small blind with it?
I agree. cdddc your missing some real profitable opportunities. hey chris how did you get so many posts at double duece w/o going nuts in oot
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Posted 14 April 2005 - 12:22 PM

Hand 1: Check behind? I was pretty sure they were on busted draws? Isn't that a value bet?Hand 2: And now you're telling me to call? He reraised my turn, isn't that a fold?Hand 3: Bet the flop with the 3rd nut flush draw without any overs? wtf?I don't understand any of these pieces of advice

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Posted 14 April 2005 - 12:31 PM

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Hand 1:  Check behind? I was pretty sure they were on busted draws? Isn't that a value bet?
They aren't calling with busted draws...so where is the value?

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Hand 2: And now you're telling me to call? He reraised my turn, isn't that a fold?
You said this guy was a wack job...I make alot of loose calls against wack jobs.

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Hand 3:  Bet the flop with the 3rd nut flush draw without any overs? wtf?
If he has AQ, JJ, TT, or 99 you could steal this pot with a semi-bluff since you're heads up.
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Posted 14 April 2005 - 12:33 PM

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Hand 1:  Check behind? I was pretty sure they were on busted draws? Isn't that a value bet?Hand 2: And now you're telling me to call? He reraised my turn, isn't that a fold?Hand 3:  Bet the flop with the 3rd nut flush draw without any overs? wtf?I don't understand any of these pieces of advice
Hand 1: The guy raised you on the flop. You thought you were beaten and shut it down, then decided to go again on the river after an ace hits. Not good.Hand 2: You either fold to the turn reraise or call it down all the way. Why spend one of the two bets without getting to showdown?Hand 3: You said yourself that you thought both cards were still overs. You bet this flop for value.

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Posted 14 April 2005 - 12:34 PM

KDawgCometh said:

wrto4556 said:

cdddc75 said:

NormanHaupt said:

I'm so censored censored right now. EVERY time I go to 1/2 tables this happens. EVERY-censored-TIME. I've seen 3000 total hands at it and I lose roughly 2.6 bb/100 playing there. My stats all look appropriate, I just can't win period.
If you're playing Q9s like this, something isn't right.You are horribly overvaluing that hand.
You don't limp from MP, button, or complete in the small blind with it?
I agree. cdddc your missing some real profitable opportunities. hey chris how did you get so many posts at double duece w/o going nuts in oot
I think that's how alot of people get their posts...OOT. I give advice and try to get in on any thread with nate tha great, Clarkmeister, sfer, stheif, entity, and shillx. Did you see the 76o hand by nate? I made an ass of myself but learned alot.
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Posted 14 April 2005 - 12:42 PM

guess I better go reread those middle chapters in SSHE. gg ty guys

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Posted 14 April 2005 - 02:13 PM

wrto4556 said:

KDawgCometh said:

wrto4556 said:

cdddc75 said:

NormanHaupt said:

I'm so censored censored right now. EVERY time I go to 1/2 tables this happens. EVERY-censored-TIME. I've seen 3000 total hands at it and I lose roughly 2.6 bb/100 playing there. My stats all look appropriate, I just can't win period.
If you're playing Q9s like this, something isn't right.You are horribly overvaluing that hand.
You don't limp from MP, button, or complete in the small blind with it?
I agree. cdddc your missing some real profitable opportunities. hey chris how did you get so many posts at double duece w/o going nuts in oot
I think that's how alot of people get their posts...OOT. I give advice and try to get in on any thread with nate tha great, Clarkmeister, sfer, stheif, entity, and shillx. Did you see the 76o hand by nate? I made an ass of myself but learned alot.
I commented on that hand too, or was it the other offsuit hand, either way. Yeah OOT has turned into my new fuyn place to go. Dead has probably posted over 90% of his posts there. He already hit poobah status and he's been regged for only five to ten days more then me. OOT is a guilty pleasure for sure. I played Bobt today on my first day at 3/6, I was on his immeadite left. It was funny, when I wrote in the code he asked if it was that obvious, what can I say, I can recoginze those in our colors
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