Slow Play

[meservery 0]

$50 PLCO - $33.30.Button - $15.90.SB - $37.95.BB - $67.60.UTG - $13.05.Hero - $55.75. Hero Dealt 5 6 2 A Pre-flop UTG calls.Hero calls.CO calls. Button folds.SB calls.BB checks.POT: $2.50Flop 3 4 2 SB checks.BB checks.UTG checks.Hero checks.CO bets $.50.SB calls.BB folds.UTG calls.Hero calls.

[bdc30 0]

You have the current nuts in a 4 way pot on a flushing board. If you're NOT going to raise this hand here, you might as well fold it. You checked, inticed a bet, it got a couple callers, USE all that money that's in there to drive the price WAY up for anyone chasing to beat you.

[simo_8ball 1]

You have the current nuts in a 4 way pot on a flushing board. If you're NOT going to raise this hand here, you might as well fold it. You checked, inticed a bet, it got a couple callers, USE all that money that's in there to drive the price WAY up for anyone chasing to beat you.

QFT.Also,

Vulnerable Nuts

lol

[meservery 0]

Hearts would be chasing. 2 pair would be chasing maybe. Sets would be looking to fill up. No value in waiting to see the turn to see if I still have the best hand? Once i jam the turn on a non-scary board, my hand could be well disguised.BDC, I usally play this hand fast. Just taking a different line.

[bdc30 0]

Hearts would be chasing. 2 pair would be chasing maybe. Sets would be looking to fill up. No value in waiting to see the turn to see if I still have the best hand? Once i jam the turn on a non-scary board, my hand could be well disguised.BDC, I usally play this hand fast. Just taking a different line.

Raise>FOLD>CallYou have no way to improve this hand. Fast is the only way to play it.Cards that scare you here into submission on the turn are...Any or any 2,3,4,5,6,7 That's a shitload of cards you're dodging. Twice.

[simo_8ball 1]

If there was a danger of multiway draws getting a lot of money in here then I would be fine with the call. With a made hand you want to get a reasonable about in on the flop, with enough left over to either get away from it on a bad turn or make the incomplete draws pay the full amount on the turn. Here the pot is very small, so you want to build it up.If the draws have very low implied odds, it can actually be correct for them to fold, even if they are a favourite on the flop.

[meservery 0]

Raise>FOLD>CallYou have no way to improve this hand. Fast is the only way to play it.Cards that scare you here into submission on the turn are...Any or any 2,3,4,5,6,7 That's a shitload of cards you're dodging. Twice.

Okay. True. But if half the deck is against me, with 2 cards to come, I'm not really much of a favorite right now.

[simo_8ball 1]

If you allow the draw to see a very cheap turn card then pot odds alone dictates that the draw prefers this. Alternatively, if in raising you allow the draw to get a large % of their stack in, they can simply repot and claim all showdown equity they have in the pot.A large draw wants to either get a small amount or a very large amount in on the flop if it has limited implied odds. By definition, the made hand wants to be able to make the draw pay a poor price on all remaining streets so wants a more middling amount in on the flop.

[bdc30 0]

Okay. True. But if half the deck is against me, with 2 cards to come, I'm not really much of a favorite right now.

Thus why even in this game it's sometimes correct to fold even when you flop the nuts. There's no question you're ahead right now, that's why you want to scoop money in to this pot so you're not going to a turn 4 handed....

[BudBundy 0]

The thing is you will win the pot right there most of the time.If not , you will be facing 8-9 outs tops unless set , gutshot and flush all calls at the same time.These situations happen all the time. Only flush draw calls , folds turn UI or we fold turn if a flush card comes.

[navybuttons 16]

he can't raise it enough to cut down on the other players implied odds. he can only raise it to $7.50 right?i don't think smooth calling and waiting for a safe turn is terrible.

[meservery 0]

great game, improbe a bit to make a good hand.

que?

[simo_8ball 1]

que?

I wondered that.

[BudBundy 0]

I think he is talking about pot limit omaha in general.

[meservery 0]

I think he is talking about pot limit omaha in general.

dagger. ISAP!

[meservery 0]

I nut peddle even though its Short Handed.

FYP?

[iloveplaypokr 0]

Hearts would be chasing. 2 pair would be chasing maybe. Sets would be looking to fill up. No value in waiting to see the turn to see if I still have the best hand? Once i jam the turn on a non-scary board, my hand could be well disguised.BDC, I usally play this hand fast. Just taking a different line.

1. bdc30 is right.2. You can't be sure you'll have the chance to jam on the turn if they're all chasing and a brick like Qs comes out. At best you might be able to pot it, in which case you'll probably receive a caller. You're probably taking this down on the flop if you pot after limp d*ck bets $.50 and the other feebs call.

[timwakefield 69]

Hearts would be chasing. 2 pair would be chasing maybe. Sets would be looking to fill up. No value in waiting to see the turn to see if I still have the best hand? Once i jam the turn on a non-scary board, my hand could be well disguised.

The flop isn't going to change, no matter what the turn is. If turn comes a blank like J of spades, everybody still knows that 65 is the nuts, and there's no reason that you wouldn't still get credit for a straight. Maybe people would think you were a little timid, so maybe you have just the low straight. I don't see slowplaying it here to be profitable. What's paying you off on the turn? Somebody who has or turns a set? Not worth it.

[meservery 0]

Bump. Actually this hand is way different... anyway.

[simo_8ball 1]

If you allow the draw to see a very cheap turn card then pot odds alone dictates that the draw prefers this. Alternatively, if in raising you allow the draw to get a large % of their stack in, they can simply repot and claim all showdown equity they have in the pot.A large draw wants to either get a small amount or a very large amount in on the flop if it has limited implied odds. By definition, the made hand wants to be able to make the draw pay a poor price on all remaining streets so wants a more middling amount in on the flop.

^^^ I wish my other posts were this good.

[ahosang 0]

If you allow the draw to see a very cheap turn card then pot odds alone dictates that the draw prefers this. Alternatively, if in raising you allow the draw to get a large % of their stack in, they can simply repot and claim all showdown equity they have in the pot.A large draw wants to either get a small amount or a very large amount in on the flop if it has limited implied odds. By definition, the made hand wants to be able to make the draw pay a poor price on all remaining streets so wants a more middling amount in on the flop.

Just passing through.Haven't really read the thread, so i don't know if this is good for the hand in question, but this is generally a good point to be thinking about in PLO.It's something to do with pot-manipulation and 2-street thinking in general...

[Actuary 3]

^^^ I wish my other posts were this good.

I was impressed.

[Actuary 3]

^^^ I wish my other posts were this good.

I was impressed.

[Zach6668 513]

I was impressed.

I was impressed.

Apparently.

[Actuary 3]

Apparently.

ineed more posting practice.i still make rookie mistakes