Bottom 2, Facing All-in

[timwakefield 69]

Just sat at the table, here is the preceding hand so you have the same read I do on villain. Villain here is UTG+1, and is UTG in the 2nd hand. Poker StarsNo Limit Holdem Ring gameBlinds: $0.25/$0.508 playersConverterStack sizes:UTG: $25.05UTG+1: $40.20MP1: $76.05hero: $46.50CO: $28.75Button: $47.50SB: $22.65BB: $47.45Pre-flop: (8 players) hero is MP2 with T J UTG folds, UTG+1 raises to $1.5, MP1 folds, hero calls, 2 folds, SB calls, BB folds.Flop: 6 2 3 ($5, 3 players)SB bets $1, UTG+1 calls, hero folds.Turn: Q ($7, 2 players)SB bets $1, UTG+1 calls.River: Q ($9, 2 players)SB bets $1.5, UTG+1 calls.Results:Final pot: $12SB showed 4h AdUTG+1 showed Ah JdNext hand:Poker StarsNo Limit Holdem Ring gameBlinds: $0.25/$0.508 playersConverterStack sizes:UTG: $46.65UTG+1: $76.05hero: $45MP2: $28.75CO: $47.50Button: $17.65SB: $46.95BB: $25.05Pre-flop: (8 players) hero is MP1 with 4 5 UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, hero calls, 2 folds, Button calls, SB folds, BB checks.Flop: 5 4 A ($2.25, 4 players)BB checks, UTG checks, hero bets $2, 2 folds, UTG raises to $5, hero raises to $15, UTG raises all-in $46.15,

[No_Neck 0]

Just sat at the table, here is the preceding hand so you have the same read I do on villain. Villain here is UTG+1, and is UTG in the 2nd hand. Poker StarsNo Limit Holdem Ring gameBlinds: $0.25/$0.508 playersConverterStack sizes:UTG: $25.05UTG+1: $40.20MP1: $76.05hero: $46.50CO: $28.75Button: $47.50SB: $22.65BB: $47.45Pre-flop: (8 players) hero is MP2 with T J UTG folds, UTG+1 raises to $1.5, MP1 folds, hero calls, 2 folds, SB calls, BB folds.Flop: 6 2 3 ($5, 3 players)SB bets $1, UTG+1 calls, hero folds.Turn: Q ($7, 2 players)SB bets $1, UTG+1 calls.River: Q ($9, 2 players)SB bets $1.5, UTG+1 calls.Results:Final pot: $12SB showed 4h AdUTG+1 showed Ah JdNext hand:Poker StarsNo Limit Holdem Ring gameBlinds: $0.25/$0.508 playersConverterStack sizes:UTG: $46.65UTG+1: $76.05hero: $45MP2: $28.75CO: $47.50Button: $17.65SB: $46.95BB: $25.05Pre-flop: (8 players) hero is MP1 with 4 5 UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, hero calls, 2 folds, Button calls, SB folds, BB checks.Flop: 5 4 A ($2.25, 4 players)BB checks, UTG checks, hero bets $2, 2 folds, UTG raises to $5, hero raises to $15, UTG raises all-in $46.15,

you aren't getting away from this... call everytime.

[Garn 0]

you aren't getting away from this... call everytime.

i call I think there is a good chance that you have the same hand

[NEtwowilldo 0]

He doesn't seem to be the type of player that would go broke with A 9 here. Anything A 10 and higher he might, but he would have raised preflop if he had that. Ask yourself what type of hands he would limp with. Small pairs and suited aces with low kickers. I think you're drawing to two outs at best, and could be drawing dead. My guess is villain rolls the A 4 . "you aren't getting away from this... call everytime"I disagree. With bottom two pair the only thing you can beat is one pair, and I think the villain has better than one pair here. Bottom two is a hand you should be capable of folding.P.S. Never call hoping to split, in regards to garns statement.

[mtdesmoines 2]

Bottom two is a hand you should be capable of folding.

This is one of the things that will change your game ... knowing when to dump bottom two and when to bet it out.

[Acid_Knight 2]

This is one of the things that will change your game ... knowing when to dump bottom two and when to bet it out.

I think that you probably dump this here. This is an unraised pot so hands like A4 or A5 are extremely likely possibilities. Also, look at the action. You led out, got raised and raised him back. He doesn't care and comes right back over top of you. Since there are no draws really, he has to have a hand. Do you think he limped UTG with AKo and is now going nuts? Maybe. It's much more likely that he's got 2 pair and if he does, it's gonna be better than yours.Learn to fold bottom 2 as mtdesmoines said. This is a good first lesson on where a good spot is.

[krup24 0]

This is an unraised pot so hands like A4 or A5 are extremely likely possibilities. Also, Learn to fold bottom 2 as mtdesmoines said. This is a good first lesson on where a good spot is.

Most relevant advice in this thread is bolded. You definitely have to be able to fold this. And OP I would not recommend calling 3x BB raises in MP with TJo FR. This could become an annoying leak in ur game.

[No_Neck 0]

I think you guys are nuts, but that is ok... you don't think this is AJ more times than it is A4. I dunno I think that this level there are lots of people that go broke in an unraised pot.I think he has Ax and as Mike Sexton says " You can't put him on an ace because he didn't raise preflop"Just my .02

[Acid_Knight 2]

I think you guys are nuts, but that is ok... you don't think this is AJ more times than it is A4. I dunno I think that this level there are lots of people that go broke in an unraised pot.I think he has Ax and as Mike Sexton says " You can't put him on an ace because he didn't raise preflop"Just my .02

He's putting in the 4th bet all-in on the flop with one pair? I doubt it. If the action was different then I'd be calling. With the villain putting in the 4th bet on the flop, bottom 2 is almost never ever good here, especially not enough to make it +EV.

[krup24 0]

I think you guys are nuts, but that is ok... you don't think this is AJ more times than it is A4. I dunno I think that this level there are lots of people that go broke in an unraised pot.I think he has Ax and as Mike Sexton says " You can't put him on an ace because he didn't raise preflop"Just my .02

AJ hardly ever here. The only possible way I would consider your argument was if you sighted the read on the villian here from the previous hand but you didn't. As AK said 4 bets on that flop with AJ is just hardly ever the case.

[mtdesmoines 2]

I think you guys are nuts, but that is ok... you don't think this is AJ more times than it is A4. I dunno I think that this level there are lots of people that go broke in an unraised pot.I think he has Ax and as Mike Sexton says " You can't put him on an ace because he didn't raise preflop"Just my .02

A big ace doesn't usually tolerate the preflop limp. An ace-rag always tolerates a preflop limp. And an ace-rag is taking your money if you call this.Once every 10 times this a limped AK or a 56. But not very often.

[Naismith 0]

Certainly, without a read, I'm fine with folding here.If we can use the one hand we've seen from the villain's past as a barometer here, I'm going to agree with Neck.

[Acid_Knight 2]

If we can use the one hand we've seen from the villain's past as a barometer here, I'm going to agree with Neck.

In the first hand though, doesn't his play seem kind of weak? It makes him look like a calling station. I agree that it also makes him look like a terrible playerr. I dunno, that passive play clashes too much with the aggression in the hand with bottom two pair. It's hard to tell what kind of player he is.

[Naismith 0]

In the first hand though, doesn't his play seem kind of weak? It makes him look like a calling station. I agree that it also makes him look like a terrible playerr. I dunno, that passive play clashes too much with the aggression in the hand with bottom two pair. It's hard to tell what kind of player he is.

I was awarding him the Triple Crown of Awful, though.That includes overplaying top as nutzzzzz!By the way, pegging a player as something based on one hand isn't very smart.

[timwakefield 69]

I was awarding him the Triple Crown of Awful, though.That includes overplaying top as nutzzzzz!By the way, pegging a player as something based on one hand isn't very smart.

LOL, well you say he's awful and maybe would overplay top pair, but then you say I shouldn't put a read on him based on one hand....Anyways, I did put a read on him based on the previous hand, and called and he had AK. I think that was very lucky though (even luckier that I held ), and I think that in a lot of spots I fold there. Probably not enough spots though....I'm kind of a calling station.Regarding the JT hand, I don't as a rule call raises with JT offsuit. Usually I let it go, but sometimes I play.

[Sefaje 0]

you got real lucky. he raised AJ to $1.50 the hand just before this UTG+1. it seems that he would raise any ace you're ahead of UTG. someone who raises AJ UTG+1 limps hands that beat you UTG. 55/44/A5/A4/54also, another quick note, is that hands you are behind have you drawing 8% or dead. hands that you have beat are drawing at least 25%.im not crazy about playing JT in the earlier hand but someone already mentioned that

[timwakefield 69]

you got real lucky. he raised AJ to $1.50 the hand just before this UTG+1. it seems that he would raise any ace you're ahead of UTG.

Agreed, but he probably thought he was slowplaying...

[Naismith 0]

LOL, well you say he's awful and maybe would overplay top pair, but then you say I shouldn't put a read on him based on one hand....Anyways, I did put a read on him based on the previous hand, and called and he had AK. I think that was very lucky though (even luckier that I held ), and I think that in a lot of spots I fold there. Probably not enough spots though....I'm kind of a calling station.Regarding the JT hand, I don't as a rule call raises with JT offsuit. Usually I let it go, but sometimes I play.

LOL. I was only making a read on him based on one hand because that's all I had and assumed that hand was indicative of his overall play.Of course, I also mixed up the villain from the first hand, so everything I've said in this thread is irrelevant, as per usual!

[Acid_Knight 2]

everything I've said in this thread is irrelevant, as per usual!

Man, if only I had a nickel for everytime you said that...

[timwakefield 69]

I've gotta start not just listening to you guys but acting on your advice Lost the HH, but got stacked earlier with A4 on A456 board. Generally (again, I lost the HH and don't remember exactly, but I was calling a decent sized push on the turn), is that an easy hand to get away from? Board had 2 hearts. Anyways he had A6 sdlfjksdklfjsd.Oh and PS, I never play A4, so you don't need to lecture me on that....I must have either been free in the BB, or suited in the SB and I completed. Basically the only times I'll ever play ace-rag.