No_Neck 0 Posted April 12, 2007 Share Posted April 12, 2007 Full Tilt PokerNo Limit Holdem Ring gameBlinds: $0.25/$0.509 playersConverterStack sizes:UTG: $143.15UTG+1: $53.80MP1: $19.50MP2: $16.50Hero: $57.60CO: $53.35Button: $55.40SB: $24.25BB: $21.15Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is MP3 with 9 Q UTG raises to $1.5, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 folds, Hero calls, CO folds, Button calls, 2 folds.Flop: 4 5 A ($6.75, 4 players)UTG bets $0.5, MP1 folds, Hero calls, Button folds.Turn: 9 ($7.75, 2 players)UTG bets $2, Hero raises to $6.5, UTG raises to $13, Hero calls.River: 3 ($33.75, 2 players)UTG checks, Hero...Villian is an over aggressive donkey. tear me apart.Edit Zach can you change the title to something witty. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted April 12, 2007 Share Posted April 12, 2007 Edit Zach can you change the title to something witty.I'm not good at witty, that's what Cobalt is for...I tried my hardest though Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted April 12, 2007 Share Posted April 12, 2007 Villian is an over aggressive donkey. tear me apart.If he's also a calling station, I shove the turn, or at least reraise.On this river, if you were ahead, you're probably still ahead. He would have led with the Kh, I assume.I make a value bet. Link to post Share on other sites
Acid_Knight 2 Posted April 12, 2007 Share Posted April 12, 2007 If he's a super aggro donkey, I'd wager that the river is a bad card for him. I doubt he ever has the 2 or the K of hearts after checking that river. It's more likely he had a set or smaller flush on the turn.I'm gonna bet $20 on the river and call a shove from him. I just don't think someone that aggressive is gonna go for a check raise with the nuts (or the K high flush) as opposed to leading into you with it on the river. I mean, he 3 bet the turn OOP and is now checking the river. It's MUCH more likely that the river looks like a terrible card for him than it is that it made his hand. Link to post Share on other sites
Naismith 0 Posted April 12, 2007 Share Posted April 12, 2007 Why did we slow down on the turn?I agree with the new poster who posted above me on the river, BTW.EDIT: If I start a petition to have Zach change his signature or at least make it smaller, will anyone sign it? I'm perfectly willing to cheer against the Penguins if that's what it takes. Link to post Share on other sites
Acid_Knight 2 Posted April 12, 2007 Share Posted April 12, 2007 I agree with the new poster who posted above me on the river, BTW.New nothing. I got the same post count as you do now. This is what a strcutural engineer does with his time at work by the way - contribute witty and insightful advice to his favorite local poker furm.I'll sign it. I don't even care about hockey, but then again, I'm not from Canada either... Link to post Share on other sites
krup24 0 Posted April 12, 2007 Share Posted April 12, 2007 Why did we slow down on the turn?EDIT: If I start a petition to have Zach change his signature or at least make it smaller, will anyone sign it? I'm perfectly willing to cheer against the Penguins if that's what it takes.I agree about the turn pump that pot, I don't really know what more we could ask for.And I would not sign the petition Link to post Share on other sites
Naismith 0 Posted April 12, 2007 Share Posted April 12, 2007 New nothing. I got the same post count as you do now. This is what a strcutural engineer does with his time at work by the way - contribute witty and insightful advice to his favorite local poker furm.Posting a bunch to increase post count = lame.Here's my witty title for this hand, but only if our boy Neck lost the hand."No Neck Cold Deck"Haha. I kill me. Link to post Share on other sites
No_Neck 0 Posted April 12, 2007 Author Share Posted April 12, 2007 Zach is the awesomest mod ever, I slowed down on the turn because if the river wasn't a heart he would pot it and then I could push and he has to call.There were so many hands that he would fold if I reraise him there (maybe I am wrong). If I had a lower flush draw like 56 or something but even if the heart hits I am going to only be behind one card. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted April 12, 2007 Share Posted April 12, 2007 EDIT: If I start a petition to have Zach change his signature or at least make it smaller, will anyone sign it? I'm perfectly willing to cheer against the Penguins if that's what it takes.The signature stays until they are eliminated.End of discussion.It's not even that big... maybe it's time to get away from your old CRT 480 by 600 resolution... Link to post Share on other sites
dms26 3 Posted April 12, 2007 Share Posted April 12, 2007 Villian is an over aggressive donkey. tear me apart.Then you should be re-raising the turn. Actually the way he played it you should be re-raising anyway. He has to have exactly KXh, when he could be semi-bluffing with only the Kh, have a set or two pair, and possibly overplaying a good ace.On the river depends on how tricky I think villain is, would he check with the K? Link to post Share on other sites
dms26 3 Posted April 12, 2007 Share Posted April 12, 2007 There were so many hands that he would fold if I reraise him there (maybe I am wrong).How many people 3 bet/fold? I know I don't see it very often. Link to post Share on other sites
fckthis 0 Posted April 12, 2007 Share Posted April 12, 2007 Value shove? Link to post Share on other sites
dms26 3 Posted April 12, 2007 Share Posted April 12, 2007 Value shove?on the river? I doubt we get called here by a worse hand very often. Link to post Share on other sites
No_Neck 0 Posted April 12, 2007 Author Share Posted April 12, 2007 How many people 3 bet/fold? I know I don't see it very often.The problem though is that this Villian there is a 30% chance he has ir here and would have to fold to a big bet.And he will put a decent amount of his stack in on the river with air, three of a kind, two pair ect. as long as the river card isn't a heart.But you guys are probably right... maybe I should just shovel Link to post Share on other sites
Naismith 0 Posted April 12, 2007 Share Posted April 12, 2007 The problem though is that this Villian there is a 30% chance he has ir here and would have to fold to a big bet.And he will put a decent amount of his stack in on the river with air, three of a kind, two pair ect. as long as the river card isn't a heart.But you guys are probably right... maybe I should just shovelI'm fine with your reasoning. I just wanted to know if there was a reason.Definitely, if taking this line with air is reasonable for this particular villain, let him hang himself.And Zach, you called my bluff. I can't root for the Pens' opponent since I'm too lazy to look up who it is. I will say this, though...Go Lightning! (see how small and subtle this is?) Link to post Share on other sites
dms26 3 Posted April 12, 2007 Share Posted April 12, 2007 The problem though is that this Villian there is a 30% chance he has ir here and would have to fold to a big bet.And he will put a decent amount of his stack in on the river with air, three of a kind, two pair ect. as long as the river card isn't a heart.But you guys are probably right... maybe I should just shovelI think the 70% of the time he doesn't have air he's paying you off big if you let him before the scare card comes. Or you let him hit cheaply and may end up paying him off big....Go Lightning! (see how small and subtle this is?)QFT, but I don't have much confidence in them getting out of the first round. Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 2 Posted April 12, 2007 Share Posted April 12, 2007 Haha. I kill me.Alf? Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 2 Posted April 12, 2007 Share Posted April 12, 2007 on the river? I doubt we get called here by a worse hand very often.This is why the turn matters so much. Turn Turn Turn. NL HE is all about the turn. Link to post Share on other sites
Sefaje 0 Posted April 12, 2007 Share Posted April 12, 2007 i have nothing to contribute to this thread other than...GO PENGUINS Link to post Share on other sites
Acid_Knight 2 Posted April 12, 2007 Share Posted April 12, 2007 i have nothing to contribute to this thread other than...GO PENGUINS HOLY MOTHERFCKL:JSER:OISCDKL!!! That's like a billion times more damaging to my retinas than Zach's was. Link to post Share on other sites
Naismith 0 Posted April 12, 2007 Share Posted April 12, 2007 I just had a seizure. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted April 12, 2007 Share Posted April 12, 2007 HOLY MOTHERFCKL:JSER:OISCDKL!!! That's like a billion times more damaging to my retinas than Zach's was.The key is using gold, not yellow. Link to post Share on other sites
Naismith 0 Posted April 12, 2007 Share Posted April 12, 2007 The key is using gold, not yellow.Wow, if the point of the Sefaje's was to make your sig more palatable, mission accomplished! Link to post Share on other sites
No_Neck 0 Posted April 12, 2007 Author Share Posted April 12, 2007 Anywho on the river I bet 20 he instacalled and I thought I was good because any hand that would beat me would raise but no he check called and then turned over K T he must have put me on the 2 Link to post Share on other sites
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