Thoughts On Getting All-in Preflop With Pocket Queens

[Money022 0]

This is something that's been on my mind for some time now. Usually I'm not thrilled to get all-in preflop with QQ. Under what circumstances is it right to do so? I know there are so many variables, but is this a strong enough hand to get all-in preflop in a full ring game?

[Zach6668 513]

A little more info might be slightly helpful.I don't like to get it in with QQ in razz though.

[Snamuh 0]

A little more info might be slightly helpful.I don't like to get it in with QQ in razz though.

Is that your subtle way of saying this post belongs in the No Limit Hold'Em forum?

[Zach6668 513]

Is that your subtle way of saying this post belongs in the No Limit Hold'Em forum?

No idea... maybe Tourney...When he tells me, I can move it, lol.

[No_Neck 0]

in a cash game I think it is silly. What is going to call you that you can beat?

[Money022 0]

No idea... maybe Tourney...When he tells me, I can move it, lol.

It's just a straight forward question about the strength of finding yourself all-in preflop with QQ in NL cash games. Any responses will do.

[Kwest4chipz 0]

I'm no poker aficianado but the only pkt pair i'm really comfy with getting all in pre is AA and even that hand makes me chit purple twinkies. Lately i've been trying to control the pot when I have a pkt pair higher than 10. I guess I just like to see flops with them and evaluate my next move by the board texture and betting habits of my opponents. Thats how I play in a cash game. I haven't experimented with this approach in MTTs as of yet. I mix it up with QQ sometimes I raise 3-4x pre, sometimes I limp, just depends on position...who's in the hand...their history...and action before its my call.are you asking if you push all in with QQ or call an all in with QQ?Thats just me tho, I see QQ getting pushed all in at micros all the time, I don't know if the same is true at higher limits.

[pokerinc 0]

Cash game I've stopped playing qq as nuts and that's definitely plugged a good sized leak. I'll get it in only if I have a read now, b/c there are definitely people that you'll be ahead of, but if you don't know it just doesn't seem to be worth it considering you'll be at best a race against the avg. players all in or 4th raise.

[Zach6668 513]

I mix it up with QQ sometimes I raise 3-4x pre, sometimes I limp, just depends on position...who's in the hand...their history...and action before its my call.

I can't think of a valid reason to limp QQ, no matter how hard I try.

[shrimp4789 0]

honestly, i hate pushing with queens unless you know the table and those who are going against you. also, it is a huge factor if your pushing and are going HU or multi-way.......really most of the time i hate it, ill treat Q-Q similar to 9-9.........to many idiots out there who will call an all-in with A3 and hit with it.....just not worth it

[Zach6668 513]

It's just a straight forward question about the strength of finding yourself all-in preflop with QQ in NL cash games. Any responses will do.

Maybe next time try posting your straight forward question in the NL cash forum.

[Actuary 3]

in a cash game I think it is silly. What is going to call you that you can beat?

Seriously?

[ChrisRichey 1]

to many idiots out there who will call an all-in with A3 and hit with it.....just not worth it

That is a bad example. Passing up 70/30's because you're afraid of getting sucked out on is horribly weak/tight. In a full ring game, I would need a very good read to get it aipf with QQ. In a short handed game I still wouldn't be happy about it, but I would certainly be more willing to do it.

[Snamuh 0]

to many idiots out there who will call an all-in with A3 and hit with it.....just not worth it

This is terrible logic. You are justifying why people SHOULD call with QQ. If people are calling all the time with A-rag, then this is definitely a +EV play.

[asytnik 0]

There's no "straightforward" answer, especially with Queens. Your stack, their stack, your reads, their reads on you all weigh heavily into the decision. Mindless situations like late in a SNG--insta-shove. Shorty in an MTT, again easy shove. Real easy to play as the big stack as well. Really difficult if you're a medium against a TAG, somewhat easy against a LAG. NL cash same principles, you're happy to get it in there as a shorty against any stack. Big stack you'll gamble with a shorty but aren't too happy to play for stacks against another big stack. There was a hand on HSP where Daniel moved all in with Queens, and I can only wonder how many people are going to misapply that move. He read Antonio as on a steal, so he went for the re-steal hoping Antonio goes away. What exactly are you praying for if you get it all in with Queens? You're usually a coinflip at best in these situations.

[NEtwowilldo 0]

What Not to Post Please do not post very general questions. Since poker is such a situational game, asking something like "what do you do with JJ preflop?" is not going to get you anywhere.

[Fubar The Sperm 1]

I'll just give an example of when I thought it was good to get it all in pf with Queens. 50NL, crazy guy at the table raising big pf, open pushing all in, showing bluffs, playing every hand, you get the picture. I'm UTG and he is BB. I get QQ and limp fully expecting a large raise from him when it gets to him. Maybe 4 other limpers and he pushes all in for around 50. I'm happy to call and everyone else folds. He has Q6 and my hand holds.For cash games it depends. People playing the short stack at the table will often reraise your bet with many hands you beat so if the reraise is not large I'll usually call. Also if I reraise a short stack when I hold QQ it might be enough to put them all in or commit me to the pot.If we are both deep stacked then I'd hesitate to get it all in pf unless I knows he's loose and could have several hands I beat like JJ,TT,AK,AQ,AJ,KQ. Shorthanded I'd also be more willing to get it all in as people are usually more agressive with a wider range of hands and your more likely to be ahead.

[Snamuh 0]

I'll just give an example of when I thought it was good to get it all in pf with Queens. 50NL, crazy guy at the table raising big pf, open pushing all in, showing bluffs, playing every hand, you get the picture. I'm UTG and he is BB. I get QQ and limp fully expecting a large raise from him when it gets to him. Maybe 4 other limpers and he pushes all in for around 50. I'm happy to call and everyone else folds. He has Q6 and my hand holds.For cash games it depends. People playing the short stack at the table will often reraise your bet with many hands you beat so if the reraise is not large I'll usually call. Also if I reraise a short stack when I hold QQ it might be enough to put them all in or commit me to the pot.If we are both deep stacked then I'd hesitate to get it all in pf unless I knows he's loose and could have several hands I beat like JJ,TT,AK,AQ,AJ,KQ. Shorthanded I'd also be more willing to get it all in as people are usually more agressive with a wider range of hands and your more likely to be ahead.

Agreed. The decision relies on knowing an opponents likely range. I would be more hesitant towards calling an unknown. For instance, I was at a table a few days ago at 50 NL with a guy who bought in short and was making ridiculous PF raises, either for much of his stack or all-in. After observing a few orbits, I limped UTG with TT and he raised to 7.00 on the button and I reshoved his remaining 13 in and he called with AT and he spiked an ace. However, he did it again the very next hand and I was fortunate enough to have JJ hold against his A4 garbage. Versus players like this, I especially love to shove or call with large pocket pairs, knowing I likely have the best of it.

[simo_8ball 1]

What Not to Post Please do not post very general questions. Since poker is such a situational game, asking something like "what do you do with JJ preflop?" is not going to get you anywhere.

Yeah but what DO you do with JJ preflop? You can't play it like a huge hand because it's too weak. On the other hand, it's too strong to treat as a low pair. You pose quite the conuundrum.

[No_Neck 0]

Seriously?

I think you lose a lot of value by not just playing the hand out. And you are going to get called everytime they have KK or AA and they are going to fold everytime they have anything other than AK.

[Acid_Knight 2]

What Not to Post Please do not post very general questions. Since poker is such a situational game, asking something like "what do you do with JJ preflop?" is not going to get you anywhere.

QFTWhen do you get it in with QQ preflop? It depends.Satisfied?

[mtdesmoines 2]

QFTWhen do you get it in with QQ preflop? It depends.Satisfied?

I once saw a six way all-in preflop with every player holding 2.5+ buyins. Best holding in the lot, preflop: 33 The winner: AK (when KKJ86 hits the board) My fold? KJ. And I had everyone covered. Thank you very much. I'll be signing autographs in the lobby after the show. ...It depends.

[cMcMonkey 0]

What Not to Post Please do not post very general questions. Since poker is such a situational game, asking something like "what do you do with JJ preflop?" is not going to get you anywhere.

If he can't post in the right forum, what makes you think he'll read the posting guidelines beforehand? Betting on that would be very -EV

[Whiskey16 1]

I can't think of a valid reason to limp QQ, no matter how hard I try.

It depends on game and position. I play in a very loose, very juicy 1/2 NL game. If I'm in EP and someone has a straddle on, who will likely raise with any weak A, or any pocket pair, I'll limp QQ and I'll look to re-raise all in, especially if someone else raises and gets callers. That's just knowing the game though, and knowing who's going to do what.If I do limp, and it gets limped, checked around, then now I'm playing for set value, or over pair value on a safe board. I'll be careful not to get too involved, as it becomes a marginal holding. A raise in this game doesn't weed a lot of peoeple out preflop, so if any A or K comes I likely lose on a continuation bet, so I'd rather limp/re-raise and put a lot of pressure preflop rather than a standard raise OOP where I know I'll get 5-6 callers.

[Zach6668 513]

It depends on game and position. I play in a very loose, very juicy 1/2 NL game. If I'm in EP and someone has a straddle on, who will likely raise with any weak A, or any pocket pair, I'll limp QQ and I'll look to re-raise all in, especially if someone else raises and gets callers. That's just knowing the game though, and knowing who's going to do what.If I do limp, and it gets limped, checked around, then now I'm playing for set value, or over pair value on a safe board. I'll be careful not to get too involved, as it becomes a marginal holding. A raise in this game doesn't weed a lot of peoeple out preflop, so if any A or K comes I likely lose on a continuation bet, so I'd rather limp/re-raise and put a lot of pressure preflop rather than a standard raise OOP where I know I'll get 5-6 callers.

I was kinda ignoring it for the purposes of the LRR. Whoever's post I was talking about was really talking about underplaying the hand, and trying to see a cheap flop, etc.