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#141 Taffer92

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Posted 10 April 2007 - 02:59 PM

lol there is nothing to sort out phil ivey is being swindled out of his cash and thats not right

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Posted 10 April 2007 - 03:04 PM

View PostPot Odds RAC, on Tuesday, April 10th, 2007, 5:42 PM, said:

The only thing that needs to be locked (AS FAR AS I AM CONCERNED) based on this first post is your account.
Taffer92's CAPS should be "unlocked."

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Posted 10 April 2007 - 03:38 PM

View PostPot Odds RAC, on Tuesday, April 10th, 2007, 2:39 PM, said:

As someone already pointed out, if you have a reputation as not paying your losses, good luck getting anyone to give you any action, especially High Stakes action. For example, you'll never get a seat at the Big Game.

View PostAndr4w, on Tuesday, April 10th, 2007, 3:03 PM, said:

The big game is open to everyone as its in a public casino. They have no say who plays and who doesn't.
Yes its a public casino. But i guarantee you if those two walk in to Bobbys Room, that Doyle, Chip, DN, Jen, David B et al get up and leave. You need players to have the game. use your head. Not that either of those two would ever attempt to play in it, I think they know better.
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Posted 10 April 2007 - 06:03 PM

View PostTeffy, on Tuesday, April 10th, 2007, 3:38 PM, said:

Yes its a public casino. But i guarantee you if those two walk in to Bobbys Room, that Doyle, Chip, DN, Jen, David B et al get up and leave. You need players to have the game. use your head. Not that either of those two would ever attempt to play in it, I think they know better.
Lol... I guarantee you they wouldn't.Someone could have just got shot, and wild horses just come crashing through the door, ... Those guys arn't leaving their game (especially if they're running good!).And it's not like they are going to grab a load of chips from the table and run away with them if they lose. There is security at the Bellagio, you know.

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Posted 10 April 2007 - 06:45 PM

View PostJames D, on Tuesday, April 10th, 2007, 7:03 PM, said:

Lol... I guarantee you they wouldn't.Someone could have just got shot, and wild horses just come crashing through the door, ... Those guys arn't leaving their game (especially if they're running good!).And it's not like they are going to grab a load of chips from the table and run away with them if they lose. There is security at the Bellagio, you know.
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Posted 10 April 2007 - 07:36 PM

IS IT MY IMAGINATION OR ARE THERE AN ABUNDANCE OF MORONS ON THIS FORUM??? , THE AMOUNT OF DRIVEL THAT HAS BEEN SPOUTED HERE WOULD SUGGEST THIS.

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Posted 10 April 2007 - 07:46 PM

View PostTaffer92, on Tuesday, April 10th, 2007, 11:36 PM, said:

IS IT MY IMAGINATION OR ARE THERE AN ABUNDANCE OF MORONS ON THIS FORUM??? , THE AMOUNT OF DRIVEL THAT HAS BEEN SPOUTED HERE WOULD SUGGEST THIS.
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Posted 10 April 2007 - 08:03 PM

Someone asked Ivey about it tonight on FT and his reply was: "It's taken care of"
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Posted 10 April 2007 - 08:45 PM

View PostJames D, on Tuesday, April 10th, 2007, 7:03 PM, said:

Lol... I guarantee you they wouldn't.Someone could have just got shot, and wild horses just come crashing through the door, ... Those guys arn't leaving their game (especially if they're running good!).And it's not like they are going to grab a load of chips from the table and run away with them if they lose. There is security at the Bellagio, you know.
thanks for taking my statement literally. lol.Not that they would leave, but the session wouldn't continue at that location with a full table for or any general enthusiasm for too long.
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Posted 11 April 2007 - 01:55 AM

View PostPot Odds RAC, on Tuesday, April 10th, 2007, 1:39 PM, said:

As someone already pointed out, if you have a reputation as not paying your losses, good luck getting anyone to give you any action, especially High Stakes action. For example, you'll never get a seat at the Big Game.
No, they just won't get any action without posting the money up first. And I think you may be wrong about Ram in the Big Game. As long as he posted the money up front, I think many of the high stakes players would be licking their chops to get him in that game.
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Posted 11 April 2007 - 09:20 AM

WHY WOULD ANYONE WANT TO PLAY RAM VASWANI , I MEAN I HATE THE HENDON MOB AND I DO THINK THEY ARE OVER RATED BUT RAM IS A GOOD PLAYER AND POSSIBLY A BETTER CASH PLAYER THAN NEGRANU I THINK HSP PROVES THIS.

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Posted 11 April 2007 - 11:36 AM

I'd like to think that this issue can get resolved soon.Peace.
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Posted 11 April 2007 - 12:31 PM

View PostTaffer92, on Wednesday, April 11th, 2007, 1:20 PM, said:

Why would anyone want to play Ram Vaswani , i mean i hate the Hendon Mob and i do think they are over rated but Ram is a good player and possibly a better cash player than Negreanu i think HSP proves this.
How can HSP prove the better player between Negreanu & Vaswani when Ram has not played on HSP with Daniel? Your conclusion, in this case, is flawed.And doesn't your post look much better with some lower case letters?

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Posted 11 April 2007 - 08:55 PM

If I were Phil I would straight up have them killed.
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Posted 12 April 2007 - 05:28 AM

View PostDanielNegreanu, on Monday, April 9th, 2007, 10:17 PM, said:

What justification could they have for not even paying the portion that they won from Phil, which is approximately $220,000?
How does $220,000 fit into it? Did they play for 4 days, Ivey lost and paid $220,000 early, then agreed to raise the stakes and creamed them?If so, I'd say he was careless to hustle based on the possible getout of Ram's Lindgren question rather than working a better opportunity to accept 10 strokes. I would have asked the Lindgren question specifically to protect myself, though I'm sure Ram is more trusting than I am.What does Lindgren say about the timeline?

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Posted 12 April 2007 - 10:05 AM

Ah, hell, this happened in Australia and we all KNOW they are all criminals anyway. NO WAY could someone lie about their golf skills in the U.S. and hustle someone else - LOLThank GOD it never happened to me...but i will play DN if he gives me 4 a side!

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Posted 14 April 2007 - 10:15 AM

Based on what DN said, this is how I interpreted the event:Player X got 10 strokes from player E whenever they'd play.Player X lost about $220k to the player's Y & Z.Player X paid player's Y & Z the $220k.Player X worked on his game, but never played player E with a decreased handicap.When asked, player X stated that he was still getting 10 shots from player E.Player X played 18 holes, beating them.That same day player X beat Y & Z after going another 18 holes. (All parties had agreed to up the stakes)The next day, player X beat Y & Z after going another 18 holes. (All parties had agreed to up the stakes again)That same day player X beat Y & Z after going another 18 holes. (All parties had agreed to up the stakes again)Player X played player E, getting 10 shots as normal.Player X and player E played again, but this time adjusted their deal to 0 strokes, to give E help E win his money back.Players Y & Z heard that X was equal with E and refused to pay.If I'm not mistaken, someone claimed that X & Y heard that X & E were equal *before* X, Y, and Z played day #2. I don;t see how this can be true, unless Y & Z enjoy losing money.The grayest area is Z saying he still got 10 stokes from E. He knew he was not a 10 stroke underdog to E, but *technically* that 10 stroke handicap had never changed. Was it misleading? Yes. Was it fraud? No.Even if X lied about the 10 stokes it does not matter.My "Where's the beef?" argument:Let's say that a chef makes you a burger. You eat it all, and put it on your tab.Then you order another burger, eat it all, and put it on your tab. In fact, that day you eat a total of 36 burgers, putting each one on your tab.The next day you go through another 36 burgers, putting each one on your tab.When the chef asks you to pay your tab you refuse, saying that you ordered Angus burgers you found out that they were really tofu burgers.Should you still have to pay? Yes!Now, if you ate a couple burgers, realized that you weren't getting what you expected, and spit it out, I can understand not paying. But after repeated exposer to said burgers you can't claim ignorance to what you were getting.

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Posted 14 April 2007 - 10:40 AM

When you asked the chef if the burgers were beef, what did he say?Ivey expects a verbal contract to be honoured without any way for it to be voided. Can't have it both ways. He'll have to eat this one.

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Posted 14 April 2007 - 10:44 AM

View Postcarlos the fraggle, on Saturday, April 14th, 2007, 11:40 AM, said:

When you asked the chef if the burgers were beef, what did he say?
It would be more like this:6 months ago Chef X made nothing but beef burgers. E ate at his restaurant then.Chef X spends his time learning how to make tofu burgers and now that's all he makes.Y & Z ask him what the last burger he served E was.Chef X tells him beef.
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Posted 14 April 2007 - 10:53 AM

No, that doesn't work. Chef knows they need to know what's in the burgers before they can eat. Chef knows it's beef. The analogy is just crap, unless you think Phil Ivey is an idiot who disconnects the question "Does Erick Lindgren still give you ten?" from the fact Ram and Marc gave him ten shots. I don't think Phil Ivey is an idiot. I think he's probably a hustler whose eagerness caused him to slightly misplay the angle. This handily explains why their friends are talking for them: neither position looks very cool.Still, live and learn.




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