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[rdtedm]

This hand just came up, don't know how to use converter. Villain was at my first table and has excessively LAG image. I have the notes:
"In position, he bet 3-4 the pot on flop and turn, checked the river and couldn't beat nine high for a busted draw"
"Re-raised all in pf in position w/ 2d-9d, got called by Ah-As, and sucked out to win"

PokerStars Game #9321657673: Tournament #46571315, $200+$15 Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (400/800) - 2007/04/08 - 18:27:52 (ET)
Table '46571315 184' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: kevinn1 (70116 in chips)
Seat 2: mkind0516 (32700 in chips)
Seat 3: imballinyall (21016 in chips)
Seat 4: xxxxufish (27675 in chips)
Seat 5: rdtedm (25568 in chips)
Seat 6: ahsgolf3 (24000 in chips)
Seat 7: limitninja (44925 in chips)
Seat 8: Morphe (33750 in chips)
Seat 9: Dixon01 (29067 in chips)
kevinn1: posts the ante 50
mkind0516: posts the ante 50
imballinyall: posts the ante 50
xxxxufish: posts the ante 50
rdtedm: posts the ante 50
ahsgolf3: posts the ante 50
limitninja: posts the ante 50
Morphe: posts the ante 50
Dixon01: posts the ante 50
kevinn1: posts small blind 400
mkind0516: posts big blind 800
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to rdtedm [9s 9h]
imballinyall: folds
xxxxufish: folds
rdtedm: raises 2400 to 3200
ahsgolf3: folds
limitninja: folds
Morphe: folds
Dixon01: folds
kevinn1: folds
mkind0516: raises 9000 to 12200
rdtedm: calls 9000
*** FLOP *** [Tc 5h 3s]
mkind0516: bets 20450 and is all-in

Hero?

[NEtwowilldo]

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t800 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FCP)

SB (t70116)
BB (t32700)
UTG (t21016)
UTG+1 (t27675)
Hero (t25568)
MP2 (t24000)
MP3 (t44925)
CO (t33750)
Button (t29067)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 9 , 9 .
2 folds, Hero raises to t3200, 5 folds, BB raises to t12200, Hero calls t9000.

Flop: (t24750) T , 5 , 3 (2 players)

BB bets all in

Final Pot: t24750

[simo_8ball]

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No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t400/t800
(Ante: t50)
9 players
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[b]Stack sizes:[/b]
Hero:  t25568
BB: t32700

[b]Pre-flop:[/b] ([i]9 players[/i]) Hero is MP1 with 9 :spade: 9 :heart:
[i]2 folds[/i], [color=#cc0000]Hero raises to t3200[/color], [i]5 folds[/i], [color=#cc0000]BB raises to t12200[/color], Hero calls t9000 [color=aaaaaa](pot was t16250)[/color].

[b]Flop:[/b] T :club: 5 :heart: 3 :spade: ([i]t25250, 2 players[/i])
[color=#cc0000]BB is all-in t20450[/color]

Make a smaller raise preflop. Fold to the reraise. As played, you have a tough decision because you're getting a great price. I think you have to call on the flop. AK is a reasonable possibility.

Edit: Sorry, missed the read. Shove preflop after his raise. Easy call on the flop

[timwakefield]

Make a smaller raise preflop. Fold to the reraise. As played, you have a tough decision because you're getting a great price. I think you have to call on the flop. AK is a reasonable possibility.

Edit: Sorry, missed the read. Shove preflop after his raise. Easy call on the flop

Hmm, I think I like your initial analysis better. Just because somebody is a donkey doesn't mean they don't get aces once in awhile. So let's assume that your opponent is really just a crazy LAGGY as hell moron...he will fastplay anything TT+ the same as rags. Yes it's possible he's playing AK like it's the nuts here, but I think it's more likely that he has you dominated. If you raise less PF then your opponent's re-raise will probably be significantly less, and you can call for set value. As it is you can't call off like 1/2 your stack looking for a set, so I fold PF. As played, I dunno, you played yourself into a corner by just calling such a huge raise. Villain basically has to push any flop there, so I call and hope he has AK or AQ or maybe 88. Maybe you're really lucky and he was blowing up with rags again, but I doubt it.

[simo_8ball]

Aganst a guy who is "excessively LAG", I would get this allin preflop. Against a normal LAG folding preflop (to his reraise) is ok.


Just thought of an interesting question. Assume we know before he acts that he will either raise, or reraise preflop. How does that affect your choice of play?

[Zach6668]

NE, Simo, looks like you've got this under control.

[simo_8ball]

NE, Simo, looks like you've got this under control.

I remember the days before you were a mod, when you used to post about actual strategy. It's so sad what your life has become, drifting in and out of each forum with the sole purpose of seeing converted hand histories. I pity you.

Here's a cat pic to perhaps cheer up your life.

[rdtedm]

You jsut got rocked, simo.

[timwakefield]

Aganst a guy who is "excessively LAG", I would get this allin preflop. Against a normal LAG folding preflop (to his reraise) is ok.
Just thought of an interesting question. Assume we know before he acts that he will either raise, or reraise preflop. How does that affect your choice of play?

I'm not sure what you mean. If you mean that we know he will raise or reraise preflop EVERY hand then we are pushing 9s obviously here, since they crush a random hand. Of course we don't know that though. I think it is a VERY unsafe play to push 9s here with an M of like 20.

[rdtedm]

Brag post. 4th in chips, 267 remain in the sunday million.
Guaranteed 929.18. Come watch me if you're bored and say hi!

rdtedm

[timwakefield]

Brag post. 4th in chips, 267 remain in the sunday million.
Guaranteed 929.18. Come watch me if you're bored and say hi!

rdtedm

Damn son, take that shiiiiiiiit down!!!!


So I guess you didn't go broke on the above hand

And I see Mkind finished in like 2700th lol, so I guess you stacked him...

[rdtedm]

1st in chips!

[timwakefield]

1st in chips!

Keep it up! I gave you a shout in this thread, if you want a more public rail

[simo_8ball]

I'm not sure what you mean. If you mean that we know he will raise or reraise preflop EVERY hand then we are pushing 9s obviously here, since they crush a random hand. Of course we don't know that though. I think it is a VERY unsafe play to push 9s here with an M of like 20.

No, I mean with whatever hand he has here. We have prior knowledge that he believes this hand is worth reraising out of position. We also know that he is "excessively LAG" as the OP phrases it. Essentially we get to replay this exact hand from the start, with all knowledge gained about his hand so far. With this knowledge, what is the optimal strategy right through? I have no idea what value there is in this, but it changes the thought process. If it sounds pointless just ignore it.

[Zach6668]

I remember the days before you were a mod, when you used to post about actual strategy. It's so sad what your life has become, drifting in and out of each forum with the sole purpose of seeing converted hand histories. I pity you.

Here's a cat pic to perhaps cheer up your life.

lol, I still discuss strategy... read my posts, damnit!

[copernicus]

Generally I think youre better off hammering a LAG preflop rather than giving him a chance to see the flop, since you really cant get a read on any action of his. I think hes got a wide enough range that you have to call this.

[rdtedm]

I called and villain showed A-K of hearts. I dodged and doubled up.
Went on to place 7th for $21,902. Should have won more, but one lousy FT call felted me. Oh well.
Now I get to stress about taxes ;/

[copernicus]

I called and villain showed A-K of hearts. I dodged and doubled up.
Went on to place 7th for $21,902. Should have won more, but one lousy FT call felted me. Oh well.
Now I get to stress about taxes ;/

whatever cash you dont need, roll into some WSOP satellites and Bellagio daily satellites. Everything you buy into now is at a tax discount (unless youre subject to AMT).

NH, sir!