wrto4556 0 Posted April 14, 2005 Share Posted April 14, 2005 UTG+1 is 17/6/1.7 after 100+ hands and MP3 is 14/4/1 after about the same.Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (9 handed) converterPreflop: Chris is BB with Q:heart:, Q:club:. 1 fold, UTG+1 calls, MP3 calls.Flop: (12.33 SB) 8:diamond:, 4:spade:, 3:heart: (3 players)Chris bets, Chris folds...Si or no? Link to post Share on other sites
DKE_XP120 0 Posted April 14, 2005 Share Posted April 14, 2005 IMO , at least one of them has an over pair, or a set already, if so, you are obviously way behind. With that kind of action, its probobly the smartest move to lay it down. Link to post Share on other sites
akishore 0 Posted April 14, 2005 Share Posted April 14, 2005 definitely yes.strong fold.aseem Link to post Share on other sites
KDawgCometh 2 Posted April 14, 2005 Share Posted April 14, 2005 good fold. No way are they betting that heavy considering your PF cap if they don't have you beat Link to post Share on other sites
Vade 0 Posted April 14, 2005 Share Posted April 14, 2005 I just saw the results of this hand on another thread...I still think it's a good fold, because it's capped preflop and you didn't improveQQ needs to improve in capped pots imo Link to post Share on other sites
wrto4556 0 Posted April 14, 2005 Author Share Posted April 14, 2005 Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (9 handed) converterPreflop: Hero is BB with Q:heart:, Q:club:. 1 fold, UTG+1 calls, MP3 calls.Flop: (12.33 SB) 8:diamond:, 4:spade:, 3:heart: (3 players)Hero bets, MP3 calls.Turn: (10.66 BB) Q:diamond: (2 players)UTG+1 bets, MP3 calls.River: (12.66 BB) 5:spade: (2 players)UTG+1 bets, MP3 calls.Final Pot: 14.66 BBUTG+1 has As Ad (one pair, aces). MP3 has Kc Kd (one pair, kings). Outcome: UTG+1 wins 14.66 BB. Link to post Share on other sites
Swift_Psycho 1 Posted April 14, 2005 Share Posted April 14, 2005 Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (9 handed) converterPreflop: Hero is BB with Q:heart:, Q:club:. 1 fold, UTG+1 calls, MP3 calls.Flop: (12.33 SB) 8:diamond:, 4:spade:, 3:heart: (3 players)Hero bets, MP3 calls.Turn: (10.66 BB) Q:diamond: (2 players)UTG+1 bets, MP3 calls.River: (12.66 BB) 5:spade: (2 players)UTG+1 bets, MP3 calls.Final Pot: 14.66 BBUTG+1 has As Ad (one pair, aces). MP3 has Kc Kd (one pair, kings). Outcome: UTG+1 wins 14.66 BB.Meh, who cares about the results. Good fold. High five! :hand: Link to post Share on other sites
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Briguy 0 Posted April 14, 2005 Share Posted April 14, 2005 UTG+1 is 17/6/1.7 after 100+ hands and MP3 is 14/4/1 after about the same.Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (9 handed) converterPreflop: Chris is BB with Q:heart:, Q:club:. 1 fold, UTG+1 calls, MP3 calls.Flop: (12.33 SB) 8:diamond:, 4:spade:, 3:heart: (3 players)Chris bets, Chris folds...Si or no?You have to ask yourself this: Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya, punk?To expand on Clint's musing, let me break this down: Betting capped preflop with three people means that only a few hands are likely still out there: QQ, KK, AA, AK, maybe JJ, 1010, AQs-A10s. You are losing to two of those hands, beating five, and tied with your twin hand. After the bet-raise-raise postflop, you have to narrow this range to AA, KK, QQ, AK (you're on Party...people overvalue AK on Party because it cool or something. I don't quite get it, as I don't run with the 'in' crowd.). If you continue, you have to commit 3 SBs for a guaranteed pot of 22.5 SB (after rake). That's 1:7.5. Do you feel that there's a better than 1:7.5 chance that both of your opponents are raising this flop with AK? Well, do ya, punk?Sucks that the Q spiked after you folded, but that's poker. You wouldn't continue with JJ, 1010, or 99 here, would you? Link to post Share on other sites
Rocketwadster 0 Posted April 14, 2005 Share Posted April 14, 2005 Absolutely, positively, have to fold this hand, unless you know the raiser and re-raiser to be savages (ie. if this was a home game I might be inclined to call depending on who was doing all of these raises). Seeing as it is online poker (where great starting hands seem to some up against each other a LOT :!: ), you definately have to fold here. :clap: Link to post Share on other sites
cdddc75 0 Posted April 14, 2005 Share Posted April 14, 2005 Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (9 handed) converterPreflop: Hero is BB with Q:heart:, Q:club:. 1 fold, UTG+1 calls, MP3 calls.Flop: (12.33 SB) 8:diamond:, 4:spade:, 3:heart: (3 players)Hero bets, MP3 calls.Turn: (10.66 BB) Q:diamond: (2 players)UTG+1 bets, MP3 calls.River: (12.66 BB) 5:spade: (2 players)UTG+1 bets, MP3 calls.Final Pot: 14.66 BBUTG+1 has As Ad (one pair, aces). MP3 has Kc Kd (one pair, kings). Outcome: UTG+1 wins 14.66 BB.Time to upgrade to Pattern Mapper 2.0. Excellent fold. Link to post Share on other sites
Comatose_Soul 0 Posted April 14, 2005 Share Posted April 14, 2005 Betting capped preflop with three people means that only a few hands are likely still out there: QQ, KK, AA, AK, maybe JJ, 1010, AQs-A10s.I just can't bring myself to agree with this statement. People fall in love with hands, and bet them strangely at times. I've seen pre-flop caps with much worse than the starting hands you've listed. Any suited Ace. Small pocket pairs (all the way down to ducks.)I think the most important part of this hand history is the Post-flop betting:Hero bets, UTG+1 raises, MP3 3-betsOut of curiousity, what do people say if this is slightly changed?Scenario 1:Hero bets, UTG+1 raises, MP3 calls?Scenario 2:Hero bets, UTG+1 calls, MP3 raises?Scenario 3:You've been at this table for an hour, and know one of the two raisers (either,) to be extremely Loose-Aggressive?I don't disagree with wtro4556's play at all. Just talking around the hand really Link to post Share on other sites
Briguy 0 Posted April 14, 2005 Share Posted April 14, 2005 Betting capped preflop with three people means that only a few hands are likely still out there: QQ, KK, AA, AK, maybe JJ, 1010, AQs-A10s.I just can't bring myself to agree with this statement. People fall in love with hands, and bet them strangely at times. I've seen pre-flop caps with much worse than the starting hands you've listed. Any suited Ace. Small pocket pairs (all the way down to ducks.)True, I'm not accounting for the maniac Any Ace raisers or the "any two cards can win" types. Still, though, I fold this with two other pre-flop and post-flop cappers. QQ might only be overpaired preflop 1:12 times, but I'd stake my rack on this being one of those times, given the postflop jiggery-pokery.And given the results. Link to post Share on other sites
NormanHaupt 0 Posted April 14, 2005 Share Posted April 14, 2005 some random QQ hands that prove that, indeed, it is the devil.** Dealing down cards **Dealt to HauptFCP [ Qh Qc ]TML_Fan_mjb folds.ramvil calls [$0.5].ITASDAD raises [$1].wallen8 raises [$1.5].Pheman folds.HauptFCP raises [$2].mseas411 folds.Kolaivo folds.jhstork5 folds.aet76 folds.ramvil calls [$1.5].ITASDAD calls [$1].wallen8 calls [$0.5].This tells me big Ace.** Dealing Flop ** [ 3c, Qs, Ks ]ramvil checks.ITASDAD checks.wallen8 bets [$0.5].HauptFCP calls [$0.5].ramvil calls [$0.5].ITASDAD folds.This defines it as AK.** Dealing Turn ** [ 2c ]ramvil checks.wallen8 bets [$1].HauptFCP raises [$2].Trap is set.ramvil calls [$2].wallen8 raises [$2].Wut..? KQ? Still loses.HauptFCP raises [$2].ramvil calls [$2].wallen8 calls [$1].** Dealing River ** [ Ah ]ramvil checks.wallen8 bets [$1].Two pair for sure.HauptFCP raises [$2].ramvil folds.wallen8 calls [$1].HauptFCP shows [ Qh, Qc ] three of a kind, queens.wallen8 shows [ Kc, Kh ] three of a kind, kings.wallen8 wins $25.75 from the main pot with three of a kind, kings.D'OH!** Dealing down cards **Dealt to HauptFCP [ Qh Qs ]HauptFCP raises [$1].I hate being UTG with a gg hand.murr1 folds.Amelllia calls [$1].ssstan folds.gen86 raises [$1.5].fred33 folds.philsfan167 folds.FreshMeat21 folds.LiquidRat folds.HauptFCP raises [$1].I ain't playin, foo.Amelllia calls [$1].gen86 calls [$0.5].** Dealing Flop ** [ 4s, Jc, 7d ]HauptFCP bets [$0.5].Thats what thought.Amelllia calls [$0.5].gen86 raises [$1].Eh..? AJ hit?HauptFCP raises [$1].Lets push Amellia out of the pot.Amelllia calls [$1].Dumb bitch.gen86 calls [$0.5].** Dealing Turn ** [ Js ]HauptFCP bets [$1].Eh.. this bet was probably stupid.Amelllia calls [$1].gen86 calls [$1].Scared him though.** Dealing River ** [ 3d ]HauptFCP bets [$1].Amelllia calls [$1].gen86 calls [$1].HauptFCP shows [ Qh, Qs ] two pairs, queens and jacks.Amelllia doesn't show [ 7s, As ] two pairs, jacks and sevens.gen86 shows [ Kd, Ks ] two pairs, kings and jacks.gen86 wins $16.5 from the main pot with two pairs, kings and jacks.GAH! GOD DAMN!QQ is the devil. Link to post Share on other sites
Briguy 0 Posted April 14, 2005 Share Posted April 14, 2005 I'm going to have to upgrade my pattern mapper with a new rule, obviously:If you have QQ, someone out there has KK. Sucka. Link to post Share on other sites
Nutcracker 0 Posted April 14, 2005 Share Posted April 14, 2005 I disagree, QQ and I have a good relationship:PokerStars 0.25/0.50 Hold'em (7 handed) converterPreflop: Hero is Button with [Qs], [Qd]. 2 folds, MP2 calls, Hero calls.Flop: (12.40 SB) [Qc], [3c], [9c] (3 players)BB bets, BB calls, MP2 calls.Turn: (12.20 BB) [Kd] (3 players)BB bets, BB calls, MP2 calls.River: (18.20 BB) [3d] (3 players)BB checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets, BB calls, MP2 calls.Final Pot: 21.20 BBResults in white below: BB has As Ad (two pair, aces and threes). MP2 has Ah Ac (two pair, aces and threes). Hero has Qs Qd (full house, queens full of threes). Outcome: Hero wins 21.20 BB. 21 BB pot, was down 20 BB on the session until this hand, thanks QQ ~ Link to post Share on other sites
Vade 0 Posted April 14, 2005 Share Posted April 14, 2005 I disagree, QQ and I have a good relationship:PokerStars 0.25/0.50 Hold'em (7 handed) converterPreflop: Hero is Button with [Qs], [Qd]. 2 folds, MP2 calls, Hero calls.Flop: (12.40 SB) [Qc], [3c], [9c] (3 players)BB bets, BB calls, MP2 calls.Turn: (12.20 BB) [Kd] (3 players)BB bets, BB calls, MP2 calls.River: (18.20 BB) [3d] (3 players)BB checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets, BB calls, MP2 calls.Final Pot: 21.20 BBResults in white below: BB has As Ad (two pair, aces and threes). MP2 has Ah Ac (two pair, aces and threes). Hero has Qs Qd (full house, queens full of threes). Outcome: Hero wins 21.20 BB. 21 BB pot, was down 20 BB on the session until this hand, thanks QQ ~I'm surprised that BB and MP2 realize they are probably beat on the river...impresive Link to post Share on other sites
Nutcracker 0 Posted April 14, 2005 Share Posted April 14, 2005 Ya, there could have easily been 15 more BB in that pot. Though I would have definately been fearing the AKs and KK if it was capped on the turn. Link to post Share on other sites
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