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[MarionSauce]

Dealing Hole Cards (AsKc) > oake folded> overgaard folded> bigdognight called for $0.50> LARSENN folded> canhowie folded> SUPERMAN1101 called for $0.50> MarionSauce raised for $3> ironmessiah folded> denyadude folded> bigdognight folded> SUPERMAN1101 called for $2.50> Dealing the Flop(Js4h5h)> SUPERMAN1101 checked> MarionSauce bet for $2.50> SUPERMAN1101 called for $2.50> Dealing the turn(Jd)> SUPERMAN1101 checked> MarionSauce bet for $3> SUPERMAN1101 called for $3> Dealing the river(4d)> SUPERMAN1101 checked> MarionSauce checked> SUPERMAN1101 shows Two Pair, Jacks over Fives (7-5) (JsJd5§5©7s)Okay if I could play this again, I would have probably checked on the flop, and all the way through but this guy is the ULTIMATE loose-aggressive RV player.

[Vade]

Couple of notes:Betting the flop with AK is great, even when you missUsually, when you're called on a flop you missed, you have to check it downYeah, he had crap, but unfortunately on the flop so did you :-/

[KDawgCometh]

you need to bet that flop. Just because you missed, you need to follow up with aggression. He called you down, not much you could do

[allinbluff35]

Dealing Hole Cards (AsKc) > oake folded> overgaard folded> bigdognight called for $0.50> LARSENN folded> canhowie folded> SUPERMAN1101 called for $0.50> MarionSauce raised for $3raise it to 4xbb instead of 6x, i mean it wasn't even SOOOOOOTED> ironmessiah folded> denyadude folded> bigdognight folded> SUPERMAN1101 called for $2.50> Dealing the Flop(Js4h5h)> SUPERMAN1101 checked> MarionSauce bet for $2.50looks like a pretty weak board so I'd fire out a bet of $5, you're betting 2.50 into a pot of around $7 or so, it's a weak bet.> SUPERMAN1101 called for $2.50> Dealing the turn(Jd)> SUPERMAN1101 checked> MarionSauce bet for $3now you're betting $3 into a pot of around $12, fire out a bet of 3/4 of the pot right here if you get called fold to a bet on the river and be really tempted to fire out a half pot bet on the river if he checks the river> SUPERMAN1101 called for $3> Dealing the river(4d)> SUPERMAN1101 checked> MarionSauce checkedwhat is he check/calling with? that's what I would try to figure out, I'm really tempted to fire out a bet right here of at least half the potOkay if I could play this again, I would have probably checked on the flop, and all the way through but this guy is the ULTIMATE loose-aggressive RV player.that is why I would be tempted to fire out a bet on the river

[MarionSauce]

I raised it 6BB PF because this guy plays EVERY hand, no matter what raise. I don't want him to outdraw my big slickie, but oh wait, yeah he called that too. I guess it doesn't really matter how much I raise PF with superman :|

[akishore]

stop, stop, stop... the number "3-4xbb" is for OPEN raises.marion wasn't opening, so a raise to 6xbb was FINE.you raise around the pot size when there are already limpers in behind you. tom mcevoy actually also suggests to add 1xbb for every limper in behind you, so a raise to 6xbb was perfectly fine.other than that, the others are right--your flop bet reeked of weakness. bet at LEAST 1/2 pot, closer to 2/3 or maybe even 3/4. you bet less than you raised pre-flop... doesn't that reek of weakness?then, either check-fold the turn or fire out a BIGGER bet.same with the river.realize that the most important variable is your opponent. make sure to keep notes on who will lay down hands and who will call with anything.check-fold against calling stations (loose) players, but bet aggressively against those who fold (tight players).aseem

[allinbluff35]

you raise around the pot size when there are already limpers in behind you.$1(limpers)+$.50(BB)+$.25(SB)= $1.75 so 4xbb is a little over the size of the pot. didn't need to go postal

[akishore]

allinbluff35 said:

you raise around the pot size when there are already limpers in behind you.$1(limpers)+$.50(BB)+$.25(SB)= $1.75 so 4xbb is a little over the size of the pot. didn't need to go postal

add in 2(.50) since that's your call. that's how raising the pot in PLHE works. so in PLHE, the max raise would be to $2.75, and she raised to $3. it's fine.aseem

[allinbluff35]

akishore said:

allinbluff35 said:

you raise around the pot size when there are already limpers in behind you.$1(limpers)+$.50(BB)+$.25(SB)= $1.75 so 4xbb is a little over the size of the pot. didn't need to go postal

add in 2(.50) since that's your call. that's how raising the pot in PLHE works. so in PLHE, the max raise would be to $2.75, and she raised to $3. it's fine.aseem

but 4x BB raise at NLHE is to see define where everyone else is at IMO, NLHE is about exploiting large edges, and with AKos you usually have either a small edge PF or are dominated by two hands so raising 4xbb will usually figure out if you are dominated or have a slight edge.

[akishore]

allinbluff35 said:

but 4x BB raise at NLHE is to see define where everyone else is at IMO, NLHE is about exploiting large edges, and with AKos you usually have either a small edge PF or are dominated by two hands so raising 4xbb will usually figure out if you are dominated or have a slight edge.

the problem with this, when people have already limped, is that almost everyone will call just 3xbb when it's back to them since the bet will be so small relative to the pot. you won't really find any information.if i limp with 87s, two others limp, and someone raises to 4xbb, my pot odds right away are almost 3:1, and my implied odds (considering the other two will probably call) are almost 5:1. if you raise the pot, my odds drop down to 2:1, and i can't be sure of any implied odds since others are now less likely to call.you're right, NLHE is about exploiting big edges. however, a raise to4xbb, IMHO, means nothing here, and you won't find out whether you have an edge or not. either just limp here (which, surprisingly, is not terrible in deep-stack poker) or raise to really thin the field.i don't mean to argue, but her raise really was fine, and it did the job by getting the hand heads-up. if she had only raised to $1.50 or $2 (standard opening raises), the pot would have almost definitely been three-way and possibly four- or five-handed if one or two players cold called.aseem

[ChungAces]

Her pre-flop bet was fine, its just her bet after the flop was poor. She should have bet the pot and if she does not steal the pot there then she can try with another big bet on the turn. Although if she bet big on the flop and the guy calls, then she should know she's probably beat and try to check the hand out.

[Devilkin]

ChungAces said:

Her pre-flop bet was fine, its just her bet after the flop was poor. She should have bet the pot and if she does not steal the pot there then she can try with another big bet on the turn. Although if she bet big on the flop and the guy calls, then she should know she's probably beat and try to check the hand out.

Problem is, he is loose agressive, so if he has any type of hand (even low pair), he's in this hand to the end. Good bets preflop and postflop trying to represent an overpair, but on the turn with this type of player, a check fold is my preferred way to go. Even a big bet is going to be called by this player 'just to keep you honest'. In many cases, he's paying you off. But in this case, you know he's probably going to call anything, so check it. If he bets back at you, fold it.AKo is a good hand, but even a set of lowly 5's beats it if it doesn't improve. In limit, I may see this hand to the end since I can limit my losses by check/calling. But in NL/PL, I have better places to put my money than in a pot where Im just hoping you haven't hit anything and my A high is good.Dev

[Abbaddabba]

Did you have information to suggest he was a loose aggressive player? Because in this hand, he looks to be just the opposite. He looked pretty passive to be just calling after having hit midpair to a very weak bet. Those tiny bets usually reak of A/K, A/Q or some combination of high cards. There's usually not much point of playing into a loose passive player until you're fairly certain that you have them beat. After the flop bet (which ideally would have been larger), i dont see much point in betting again. If he had any reason at all to call the first $2.50, given the increased pot size, he can certainly justify $3 (and will have you beat most times).