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[wrto4556]

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (9 handed) converterPreflop: LongTermLoser is SB with 4:diamond:, J:diamond:. MP2 :#A500AF(Mr.NoRead)/ posts a blind of $3. 1 fold, LongTermLoser completes, BB checks.Flop: (5 SB) J:spade:, 2:spade:, T:diamond: (5 players)LongTermLoser checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Mr.NoRead bets, MP3 calls, LongTermLoser calls, BB folds, UTG+1 folds.Turn: (4 BB) 3:club: (3 players)LongTermLoser bets...planning to fold to a raise.Btw, MP3 is horrible. His call means nothing. Yay or nay...but more importantly, why?

[Vade]

Again, I don't think that betting here gives you any indication of what hand he might be holdingI'd check raise the turn for information on possible handsI would think that because this reveals whether or not he has any interest in continuing

[CoolHandLaw]

do you mean 'why' did you call with J4s in the SB? If not then I'd like to pose that question :-)

[Vade]

Always complete with any two soooooted cards

[wrto4556]

Vade said:

I'd check raise the turn for information on possible hands

Nah. The turn bets are too big to put in 2 for information. That's some expesive ass info.Check/raising the flop would be an idea...

[akishore]

why exactly did you check-call the flop, and not bet out?regardless, if you check, this seems more like a raise or fold situation when it gets back to you. why exactly did you only call?aseem

[wrto4556]

I dunno...I normally bet out or C/r. But I didn't want to bet out on this draw heavy board, so I was planning to check/raise...but decided I wasn't getting anyone out of the pot, so I told myself "bet a blank turn and fold to a raise".???

[cdddc75]

wrto4556 said:

Btw, MP3 is horrible. His call means nothing. Yay or nay...but more importantly, why?

A few days on 3/6 and you're already insulting Smash?Nice post.

[wrto4556]

cdddc75 said:

wrto4556 said:

Btw, MP3 is horrible. His call means nothing. Yay or nay...but more importantly, why?

A few days on 3/6 and you're already insulting Smash?Nice post.

[akishore]

wrto4556 said:

I dunno...I normally bet out or C/r. But I didn't want to bet out on this draw heavy board, so I was planning to check/raise...but decided I wasn't getting anyone out of the pot, so I told myself "bet a blank turn and fold to a raise".???

okay. good point.then it's fine, i think.aseem

[KDawgCometh]

chris, is this a 1/3 blind structure or a 2/3 blind structure. If its 1/3 then there is no way you can call in teh sb without a few more limpers. if its 2/3 then by all means make this PF call. THere's two things you can do on this flop, either bet out or CR. I don't think calling is an option here, just too weak with TPNK. If your gonna do that then just fold to the bet

[wrto4556]

KDawgCometh said:

chris, is this a 1/3 blind structure or a 2/3 blind structure. If its 1/3 then there is no way you can call in teh sb without a few more limpers. if its 2/3 then by all means make this PF call. THere's two things you can do on this flop, either bet out or CR. I don't think calling is an option here, just too weak with TPNK. If your gonna do that then just fold to the bet

1/3... :oops: :x What do you think about just betting out?

[KDawgCometh]

wrto4556 said:

KDawgCometh said:

chris, is this a 1/3 blind structure or a 2/3 blind structure. If its 1/3 then there is no way you can call in teh sb without a few more limpers. if its 2/3 then by all means make this PF call. THere's two things you can do on this flop, either bet out or CR. I don't think calling is an option here, just too weak with TPNK. If your gonna do that then just fold to the bet

1/3... :oops: :x What do you think about just betting out?

I don't mind it at all. Like I said betting out or CRing are your best options. I don't think there is too much of a difference either way in long term EV IMO. For anyone who says you can complete with any two suited from the sb, the blind structure matters a ton. in a 1/2 blind structure you can definetly do this if there is gonna be a fourway to the flop. In a 2/3 blind structure almost anything can be playable to a relative degree. In a 1/3 blind structure you really need to tighten up to almost MP or CO standards

[akishore]

yeah, the 1/3 blind point is a good one.as for his flop move, i was wondering the same thing, but i can see the justification in waiting for a turn card since the board is draw heavy and neither a bet nor a checkraise will protect his hand.but in all honesty, i might just fold the hand. reverse implied odds. if you're not beat already, you're going to end up paying a hand that beats you by showdown more than you'll get paid if your hand does hold up (since the board is draw heavy and you can't make a higher pair [overcards can come]).is check-folding here too weak/tight?aseem

[wrto4556]

akishore said:

is check-folding here too weak/tight?

yes. You are missing out on bets.