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.25/.50 NL - I am sitting with about $60 in BBSB has about $50 Button has about $30I think I have a loose image as I just stacked the button with 7-5 offsuit and we have been needling each other ever sinceSB has not played a whole lotButton could be tilting from the hand he lost as well as the needling...I know he would not want to lose money to me thoughButton raises to $2 SB callsI call with 6-9 suitedFlop: 678 rainbowSB checksI bet $4Button callsSB reraises to $12I call...thinking he has a set and I have outs as well as possible fold equityTurn: 9SB checks --which I read as extremely weak considering the flop bettingI move all in which is his $36 or so into a pot size of $34.Just looking for feedback on how I played the hand once I got involved. I did not push on the turn thinking I had the best hand, I pushed looking for the fold, knowing I likely had 2 outs if he did call and had a set or straight. With my loose image I figured he might give me credit for a 5 or read my flop call as strength. Was the all in a weak move? Should I have bet less to look stronger? Was the flop call on my part appropriate?Really, any feedback would be great. I can also post results if necessary.

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.25/.50 NL - I am sitting with about $60 in BBSB has about $50 Button has about $30I think I have a loose image as I just stacked the button with 7-5 offsuit and we have been needling each other ever sinceSB has not played a whole lotButton could be tilting from the hand he lost as well as the needling...I know he would not want to lose money to me thoughButton raises to $2 SB callsI call with 6-9 suitedFlop: 678 rainbowSB checksI bet $4Button callsSB reraises to $12I call...thinking he has a set and I have outs as well as possible fold equityTurn: 9SB checks --which I read as extremely weak considering the flop bettingI move all in which is his $36 or so into a pot size of $34.Just looking for feedback on how I played the hand once I got involved. I did not push on the turn thinking I had the best hand, I pushed looking for the fold, knowing I likely had 2 outs if he did call and had a set or straight. With my loose image I figured he might give me credit for a 5 or read my flop call as strength. Was the all in a weak move? Should I have bet less to look stronger? Was the flop call on my part appropriate?Really, any feedback would be great. I can also post results if necessary.
You got called and doubled him up. Two pair is a weak holding on this board, especially when you got check-raised hard on the flop.
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You got called and doubled him up. Two pair is a weak holding on this board, especially when you got check-raised hard on the flop.
so i assume that you pushed to move him off of a set. if not then you know you are still behind
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so i assume that you pushed to move him off of a set. if not then you know you are still behind
I'm not the OP, I'm just guessing what he had and what happened. I see more $ lost on two pair than any other hand. Well, AK kills people. So does AA, if they can't lay it down.
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so i assume that you pushed to move him off of a set. if not then you know you are still behind
I was trying to represent made straight. I knew I was behind with 2 pair. It was extremely weak here.Was it a bad play to try and push him off a set? -EV?
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is that profitable?4 cards on the board...all diamonds...you are have a set....you will never lay it down?
I think he was exaggerating. Your play doesn't really scare me if I have 88 here. I'd actually put you on like 89 or something, or possibly a set of your own. But I'm not giving your push credit for a made straight. Plus a set has ~10 outs to improve, equals most players aren't gonna lay this down. I think you should've just kept this pot small.I'm assuming the button folded? you didn't say in your post.
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I think he was exaggerating. Your play doesn't really scare me if I have 88 here. I'd actually put you on like 89 or something, or possibly a set of your own. But I'm not giving your push credit for a made straight. Plus a set has ~10 outs to improve, equals most players aren't gonna lay this down. I think you should've just kept this pot small.I'm assuming the button folded? you didn't say in your post.
Button folded on the flop after the reraise.Consensus is: no way to take this pot down?
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Button folded on the flop after the reraise.Consensus is: no way to take this pot down?
LOL. Well, I wouldn't say there's no way to take this pot down, seeing as you took it down. :)I'm pretty certain that you were ahead here, though.
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LOL. Well, I wouldn't say there's no way to take this pot down, seeing as you took it down. :)I'm pretty certain that you were ahead here, though.
Button folded on the flop after the SB reraised.SB timed down and called my all in push on the turn.SB had a set of 7's...and took it down
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I think he was exaggerating. Your play doesn't really scare me if I have 88 here. I'd actually put you on like 89 or something, or possibly a set of your own. But I'm not giving your push credit for a made straight. Plus a set has ~10 outs to improve, equals most players aren't gonna lay this down. I think you should've just kept this pot small.I'm assuming the button folded? you didn't say in your post.
If he calls, technically, I've got 10 outs to "improve" as well. Would you give a different bet size credit for a made straight? How could I better represent a straight here?
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I guess this could be a sub-category in my rule, "Don't make it a habit to try and bluff people off of aces." It's hard to get someone to muck a set, especially on the turn. A better strategy would've been to river the 9. :club:

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I guess this could be a sub-category in my rule, "Don't make it a habit to try and bluff people off of aces." It's hard to get someone to muck a set, especially on the turn. A better strategy would've been to river the 9. :club:
I admit ...my strategy was to river the 9...been watching too many "pros" I guess.
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If he calls, technically, I've got 10 outs to "improve" as well.
Well yeah, I'm not saying you dont have outs, but since a set is going to think "even if he does have a straight, I can fill up / make quads", he's much less likely to lay it down. It's not like trying to represent a flush if someone has a straight.
Would you give a different bet size credit for a made straight? How could I better represent a straight here?
Honestly, it doesn't matter. most players aren't giving up a set here, based on the board and the action. If the board was like 678T, then you might have a little more luck doing that, but then again, you'd have the straight. It's like saying late in a tournament, "how can I get this guy to fold AK with stacks of 12 BB." It can happen in some situations, but this spot is -EV for you to push.
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is that profitable?4 cards on the board...all diamonds...you are have a set....you will never lay it down?
That doesn't happen very often. And no, I probably wouldn't. You'd be surprised at what people turn up when there's a scary board and they're betting hard into it and you call.
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Well yeah, I'm not saying you dont have outs, but since a set is going to think "even if he does have a straight, I can fill up / make quads", he's much less likely to lay it down. It's not like trying to represent a flush if someone has a straight.
Here's the thing about straights and flushes on the flop v sets: one hand is made and maxed, the other can improve.
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