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[Petoria]

Ultimate Bet 0.25/0.50 Hold'em (9 handed) converterPreflop: Hero is CO with [5h], [5c]. UTG calls, 4 folds, BB calls, UTG calls.Flop: (6.40 SB) [8h], [5s], [Qs] (3 players)BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets, BB calls, UTG calls.Turn: (4.70 BB) [Qd] (3 players)BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets, BB calls, UTG folds.River: (6.70 BB) [Kh] (2 players)BB checks, Hero bets, Hero calls.Final Pot: 14.70 BB4 hands later, maybe i'm tilting:Ultimate Bet 0.25/0.50 Hold'em (7 handed) converterPreflop: Hero is BB with [Tc], [Qc]. UTG calls, MP1 calls, 1 fold, SB completes, Hero checks.Flop: (5 SB) [2s], [Qh], [9c] (5 players)SB bets, Hero calls, UTG calls, MP1 calls, CO calls.Turn: (5 BB) [Td] (5 players)SB bets, MP1 folds, CO folds, SB calls, Hero calls.River: (11 BB) [4s] (3 players)SB checks, Hero checks, UTG bets, SB calls, Hero calls.Final Pot: 14 BBThis one is from a NL tourney and I'm one away from making money, and this situation comes up:I have 16010 in front of me, which is above average at that point. I'm in the 600 chip SB with TT, the chip leader with over 30,000 raises to 4000 from MP. I reraise to 7600. He comes over the top for all my chips. What do I do now?

[Petoria]

Oops posted the wrong hand

[Petoria]

ok, i fixed it

[Swift_Psycho]

Hand #1: I'm not crazy about raising with 5's pre-flop. Other than that, you played it fine, I think.Hand #2: When the SB bets out on the flop, you should either raise or fold in this situation. I really dislike calling. Too many chances that some random draw will punish you. If you want to continue, you should raise the flop.

[Petoria]

I raised with 55 preflop, because I want to try to isolate UTG, I can't call with 55. At least I don't think I can, correct me if i'm wrong. 55 in a multiway pot is suicide.In hand 2 you're probably right, i need to raise that flop. I actually considered it but I decided against it because I didn't think i could push out anything that beat me. I completely forgot about the str8 draw.Thanks for the advice it really helpsAny advice on the NL tourney hand?

[DeNuts1]

yes you can call with pocket 5 s. It is the better play actually. You shouldn't raise in early pos. with small pairs.

[Rocketwadster]

Petoria said:

I raised with 55 preflop, because I want to try to isolate UTG, I can't call with 55.  At least I don't think I can, correct me if i'm wrong.  55 in a multiway pot is suicide.In hand 2 you're probably right, i need to raise that flop.  I actually considered it but I decided against it because I didn't think i could push out anything that beat me.  I completely forgot about the str8 draw.Thanks for the advice it really helpsAny advice on the NL tourney hand?

I agree with the raise with 5 5 pre-flop. Raise em or fold em, that's limit holdem. :wink: I just made that up. That's GOLD BABY :!:

[Petoria]

It wasn't early position, I was in late position with 55

[DeNuts1]

Rocketwadster said:

Petoria said:

I raised with 55 preflop, because I want to try to isolate UTG, I can't call with 55.  At least I don't think I can, correct me if i'm wrong.  55 in a multiway pot is suicide.In hand 2 you're probably right, i need to raise that flop.  I actually considered it but I decided against it because I didn't think i could push out anything that beat me.  I completely forgot about the str8 draw.Thanks for the advice it really helpsAny advice on the NL tourney hand?

I agree with the raise with 5 5 pre-flop. Raise em or fold em, that's limit holdem. :wink: I just made that up. That's GOLD BABY :!:

thats beautiful :roll:

[Swift_Psycho]

Petoria said:

I raised with 55 preflop, because I want to try to isolate UTG, I can't call with 55.  At least I don't think I can, correct me if i'm wrong.  55 in a multiway pot is suicide.In hand 2 you're probably right, i need to raise that flop.  I actually considered it but I decided against it because I didn't think i could push out anything that beat me.  I completely forgot about the str8 draw.Thanks for the advice it really helpsAny advice on the NL tourney hand?

For hand one I'm really looking to hit a set or get out. If you thought you might be able to isolate though, then the raise isn't so bad.For hand two, it isn't necessarily about pushing hands out that beat you. First, you need to make straight draws pay as much as possible to continue (you said you forgot about that so, oh well I guess). But you also want to use this inexpensive street to find out if you have the best hand. If you get popped back, you can drop the hand on the next street unless you improve. You probably should raise the turn as well, though now you have to worry about inside straight draws having hit because you didn't raise the flop. This is just a situation that you really screwed yourself because you didn't raise the flop.For the NL tourney hand, you have to call now. I really dislike the small re-raise you made. You put in half your stack, you probably shouldn't fold now. You don't give any read on the player. Perhaps you can call pre-flop and push on a safe flop looking to get him to lay down his overcards. Or, you can move in over the top of the 4000 in hopes of making him make the tough pre-flop decision instead of you. If he overbets his really solid hands though, I'm not against folding pre-flop either. That's a really big raise. It really depends on your read. It may sound silly, but against such a large raise, I'm not at all against folding pre-flop here and picking a better spot.

[cdddc75]

Hand 1: Did you ever think that BB might have KQ? Out of position, I can't fault him for check/calling until he hits the FH. The check/raise on the river should have been a red flag. Why isolate with a low pocket pair preflop? You want that to hit a set in a multiway pot.Hand 2: Why didn't you raise the flop? You might have chased the straight draw out. If you think SB has a Q with better kicker, you should be folding. Nothing else you could do differently though.Hand 3: Without a read on the chip leader, it's hard for me to say what I would have done for sure. hen he comes over the top, you must fold as you are likely dominated. Coin flip at best. I don't like the min re-raise here at all. Of the four options you had, that was the choice that pot commits you AND forces you to call an all in. Of the four choices, I prefer the following in order:1. Fold since you are out of position.2. Call in the hopes of flopping a set. Check/fold if the flop misses you.3. Push. If you want to double or go out with TT, go down swinging.4. Min reraise.

[DeNuts1]

Petoria said:

It wasn't early position, I was in late position with 55

Nm....I wasn't paying attention. Regardless, I still don't like the raise with 55 unless you are going for a blind steal I just call here. You want a set with this hand. If you miss you need to fold. I wouldn't invest the extra small bet here.

[Swift_Psycho]

cdddc75 said:

Hand 3:  Without a read on the chip leader, it's hard for me to say what I would have done for sure.  hen he comes over the top, you must fold as you are likely dominated.  Coin flip at best.  I don't like the min re-raise here at all.  Of the four options you had, that was the choice that pot commits you AND forces you to call an all in.  Of the four choices, I prefer the following in order:1.  Fold since you are out of position.2.  Call in the hopes of flopping a set.  Check/fold if the flop misses you.3.  Push.  If you want to double or go out with TT, go down swinging.4.  Min reraise.

Actually, he does have one more move that I might like using depending on the player. He calls pre-flop and pushes on a safe flop (undercards, or maybe J-high).

[cdddc75]

Swift_Psycho said:

cdddc75 said:

Hand 3:  Without a read on the chip leader, it's hard for me to say what I would have done for sure.  hen he comes over the top, you must fold as you are likely dominated.  Coin flip at best.  I don't like the min re-raise here at all.  Of the four options you had, that was the choice that pot commits you AND forces you to call an all in.  Of the four choices, I prefer the following in order:1.  Fold since you are out of position.2.  Call in the hopes of flopping a set.  Check/fold if the flop misses you.3.  Push.  If you want to double or go out with TT, go down swinging.4.  Min reraise.

Actually, he does have one more move that I might like using depending on the player. He calls pre-flop and pushes on a safe flop (undercards, or maybe J-high).

Interesting option. It's a great move against AK or AQ, but terrible against a higher PP. I don't want to try to make that read for all of my chips when I have a healthy stack. It's not a bad idea though.

[Swift_Psycho]

cdddc75 said:

Swift_Psycho said:

cdddc75 said:

Hand 3:  Without a read on the chip leader, it's hard for me to say what I would have done for sure.  hen he comes over the top, you must fold as you are likely dominated.  Coin flip at best.  I don't like the min re-raise here at all.  Of the four options you had, that was the choice that pot commits you AND forces you to call an all in.  Of the four choices, I prefer the following in order:1.  Fold since you are out of position.2.  Call in the hopes of flopping a set.  Check/fold if the flop misses you.3.  Push.  If you want to double or go out with TT, go down swinging.4.  Min reraise.

Actually, he does have one more move that I might like using depending on the player. He calls pre-flop and pushes on a safe flop (undercards, or maybe J-high).

Interesting option. It's a great move against AK or AQ, but terrible against a higher PP. I don't want to try to make that read for all of my chips when I have a healthy stack. It's not a bad idea though.

That's why the read on the player is so important. If this guy is only going to overbet like this with high PP's, I fold. If he would do it with A-K or A-Q but not likely A-A, I kind of like the idea of the stop and go move.

[Petoria]

On hand 1: The guy had Q8, I guess I had to cap the river didn't I. Actually the only reason I fired at the flop was because I thought the guy flopped a Q, just because it looked like he was thinking about betting.On hand 2: The guy did have KJ and hit the str8 on the turn.

[Petoria]

I moved to the table in hand 3 two hands previous to the situation i ran into. Thus, I had no read.

[Swift_Psycho]

Petoria said:

I moved to the table in hand 3 two hands previous to the situation i ran into.  Thus, I had no read.

I think I might just fold pre-flop then. He made an awfully huge pre-flop raise and 10's are a pretty marginal hand.Edit: Nevermind, I think I mis-read. I thought 600 was the BB, not the SB. I actually might like the stop and go play then. Pushing pre-flop isn't bad either. If you really want to make the money though, just fold (before pushing in the re-raise, that is).

[cdddc75]

Petoria said:

I moved to the table in hand 3 two hands previous to the situation i ran into.  Thus, I had no read.

In that case, I would steer clear of the chip leader for a bit. Bully the minnows instead.

[Petoria]

I ended folding the 10's. It seems like I should've called, because he was stealing blinds almost every hand after that. I was probably a coin flip at that point so, I shouldve called. The only reason I made such a small reraise was because I wanted to leave myself enough chips to work with in case he had me destroyed. The reraise was pretty weak, it was the wrong move. A call might have been better, or possibly a fold and wait for a hand until I was in position. Either way I ended up making $12 in the tournament. Thanks for the input.